Quote from: Birdy on April 26, 2013, 04:34:30 PM

Quote from: myrkul on April 26, 2013, 04:32:10 PM

Quote from: Birdy on April 26, 2013, 04:23:50 PM

Quote from: myrkul on April 26, 2013, 04:06:06 PM

OK, this might be a shock to some of you.

You're not obligated, legally or morally, to risk your life, limb, or property to save another's, unless you voluntarily accept that obligation.

No, but you are obligated to save someone, if there is no risk involved (e.g. you just have to switch a trigger to turn a machine/electricity off).

No, you're not. No obligation can be created that forces action, without voluntary acceptance of that obligation. I'm obligated not to turn on the switch that kills you, but not obliged to turn on the one that would save you.

To illustrate this, what is the first thing you would say to someone who had flipped the switch to save you?

In my country this is wrong. It's in the law. I don't know if it's the same for you.

So, where you live, men with guns force people to accept obligations they don't have to. Your point?

Kindly answer the question I have posed: What is the first thing you would say to someone who flipped the switch to save you?

Quote from: Birdy on April 26, 2013, 04:38:53 PM

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You can't just demand people to do stuff for you - that's slavery. How about the loss of time to the fire fighters? How about their loss of life if they are killed while fighting the fire?

It's the job they accepted to do and are paid for (at least in our society), so it's not slavery.

Except they weren't being paid, now were they? That's the point.