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Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem
by
Shahrul09
on 14/06/2017, 07:12:07 UTC

So in summary:

 • 20% of your investment went into capitalising the asset you now hold
 • 80% of your investment went into capitalising a private company in which you didn't get any shares

Like I say, that's just my understanding of the current equity balance of the ICO. I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.


I think the 20/80 rules only apply to the last 147K ETH that poured into the ICO that was above their intended 250K ETH cap.  So I think the correct way to look at it is that (250+0.2*147)/397 = 70% of your donation went into capitalizing an asset you now hold.  The remaining 30% went to an unplanned, "ex post facto"  fund whose assets you now have no claim over.  For the next 2 years this new fund will purchase tokens (at a price that gives zero profit to the public sellers) and give those tokens back to the Bancor Network that issued them.

Bancor blog clearly states that 20% of raised ETH goes into reserve, which is ~80K. They crowd sold only 50% of BNT (~40M), the other 40M they gave to themselves. In the end, 80M of BNT is backed by 80K of ETH. At a price of 100 BNT per 1 ETH this means 10% reserve ratio.

People, at lest learn times table before you invest into something.


OK, let me zero in a little more considering your logic.  They intended to take in 250K ETH, they ended up with 397K ETH.  As you say, 20% of all ETH goes into reserve so we've got three pots now.  In rounded numbers, (a) 0.2 * 397 = 79K ETH for the reserve; (b) 0.8 * 250 = 200K that actually "paid for" 39M BNT distributed to the public; and (c) 0.8 * (397-250) = 118K ETH that goes into an unexpected "post ex facto" fund to buy back public tokens at ICO price and give them to Bancor Network.  

So the proportion of your donation that actually bought BNT tokens for your own wallet was 200 / 397 = 50.4%.  The other 49.6% of your donation went to buy tokens for the Bancor Network - some now in the reserve pool, the rest over the next 2 years during buyback.  

Final approximate  ICO cost for a single purchased BNT token assuming $400 per ETH is thus 200,000 *400 / 39,000,000 = $2.05 per BNT.

Bancor's loss of control on how and when to stop the ICO  resulted in the percent of your donation actually purchasing tokens FOR YOU slip from the promised 80% to an actual 50.4%.  

Not a very well run ICO.


The math is spot on, and it matters a lot.  Now the bancor foundation will control almost half of their own currency.  I don't trust that people who were looking for roughly 20M and raised an extra 55M of self-controlled funds over night is going to do the right thing.  If it was initially stated that only half of the funds would be distributed to the investors, would you have bought in?

I think they mention the token allocation way earlier.
And at the fundriser page on official website at bottom they put the chart there. Lol
https://blog.bancor.network/bancor-network-token-bnt-contribution-token-creation-terms-48cc85a63812
https://bancor.network/fundraiser


And i think people that didnt read the whitepaper here need to know



Investor can also liquidate through the smart contract which will destroyed the BNT, thus decrease the number in circulation.(thus prevent the bancor team from handling and get large %of bnt )

One things need to be remained here, total number of BNT is unlimited,

'Smart tokens are issued when purchased and destroyed when liquidated, therefore it is always possible to purchase a smart token with its reserve token, as well as to liquidate a smart token to its reserve token, at the current price.'


Problem is this concept still new and ppl more used to exchanges.