Quote from: Samarkand on June 20, 2017, 03:57:36 PM

Quote from: d5000 on June 19, 2017, 04:44:24 PM

Ich bin gerade sehr bullisch eingestellt für die nächsten Wochen.

Fundamental sieht es nämlich gut wie selten in der letzten Zeit aus: ~~Fast 70%~~ Eine große Mehrheit* der heute schon geminten Blocks haben für eine Segwit-Variante gestimmt (36,8% für Segwit2x und 32,6% für die traditionelle BIP141-Variante). Die Segwit2x-ler werden, wie Rakete4 hier darstellt nach einer Übergangsphase auch für BIP141 stimmen und dann kommt vielleicht sogar die originale Segwit-Variante mit 95% Miner-Unterstützung durch.

Kommt Segwit, sind glaube ich 3000+-Kurse schnell in Sicht. Ich rechne sogar mit 5000USD, bzw. dass diese psychologisch wichtige Marke zumindest getestet werden wird.

Edit*: Habe inkorrekterweise beide Zahlen zusammengezählt, aber es gibt ja auch Pools die für BIP141 und für Segwit2x "Signalling" betreiben. Hab jetzt mal die letzten 50 Blocks nachgeschaut, von denen unterstützen 46 mindestens eine von beiden Segwit-Varianten. Das sind über 90%!

Was ist deine/eure Meinung zu folgendem Artikel bezüglich Segwit?
https://calvinayre.com/2017/06/19/bitcoin/risks-segregated-witness-opening-door-mining-cartels-undermine-bitcoin-network/

Finde ich persönlich überzeugend und dieser Aspekt von Segwit war für mich neu. Sehe das jetzt definitiv nicht mehr als uneingeschränkt positiv, wenn Segwit kommen sollte!

"At such levels, even a normally honest miner could be incentivised to defect from the standard protocol."

"The present model of security within bitcoin is equivalent to a super game stag hunt. Conversely, SegWit changes the model into a prisoners dilemma, where groups of miners form into either honest or defecting groups."

"In game theory, the prisoners dilemma shows why two people may not cooperate, even when it is in their best interests to do so. Two friends or partners are accused of committing a crime and are held separately, without means to communicate with each other. Prosecutors do not have sufficient evidence to convict them of the principal charge, so offer each of them a choice to either testify against (betray) the other or to help the other by remaining silent. The choice by each prisoner will determine scenarios (laid out in a four-quadrant grid) whether the prisoners go free (if they both choose to help each other by remaining silent), or get sentenced to different levels of prison time (with the worst case scenario being that each betrays the other). More often than not, each prisoner will look out for his self-interest and betray the other and if both prisoners do that, they each end up receiving longer prison sentences than if they had both helped each other"

"From this, it is apparent that every transaction involving SegWit and not being relayed into a standard bitcoin address slowly increases incentive to attack the system. The larger the system, the larger the incentives to defect. This is exactly the opposite of the existing protocol dynamics within bitcoin: the larger the bitcoin ecosystem and hashrate grows (using bitcoins original protocol), the more secure it becomes. In the early days of bitcoin, it was possible for an individual miner to plan and execute a double spend attack. But as the system has grown in power and as it continues to grow, a double spend attack becomes more and more difficult, and less and less profitable. If SegWit is implemented, the longer the system runs and the more it is used, the incentives will only grow for miners to defect and compromise the system. Thus, SegWit would produce exactly the opposite effect of the current bitcoin network when it comes to building (or in the case of SegWit, undermining) security."

"Initial introduction of SegWit was proposed to activate at 95% hashrate support. This was based on the presumption that once SegWit activated, new entrants or players would need to support existing rules. The consequence is a presumption that all transactions will be safe forever. This presumption is incorrect. Mining pools and miners change periodically, just as industry players change in any other business field"

also kein segwit sonder profale Blockvergrößerungen

Das ist in interessant, vorallem wer es schrieb "Dr. Craig Wright"
Der Mann weiß mehr als er vor gibt zu sein!
Was sagst du, @Gyrsur? Hau raus
Zufällig hatte LTC 51% über F2Pool vor wenigen Tagen, es ist nichts passiert!??
https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools

75%
der heute geminten Blöcke stimmen SegWit2x zu. Die Aktivierung dürfte wohl bald beschlossene Sache sein.

Quote from: Gyrsur on June 20, 2017, 01:52:52 PM

kurs hat sich leider eine klemmung geholt. Grin

Bei dir klemmts och Grin