Quote from: freeyourmind on July 01, 2017, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: WhatTheGox on October 05, 2015, 02:41:43 PM

What Are Your Thoughts On Vegans? Or Going Vegan ?

Do you have concerns about animal abuse by eating meat or using animal products?

Do you feel strongly that it is your right to eat meat?

I don't like factory farmed animals that are treated like garbage, given terrible living conditions and pumped with antidepressants and antibiotics. That has come to bother me more and more vs. farms that treat their animals good, or even hunting for your own venison in the wild.

The way I see it, it's impossible for a farm to be ethical because it's unnatural. People can talk about "the food chain" all they want, but the reality is that they way animals are being killed is entirely unnatural, whether it's with a gun, a factory farm, or just a regular free range farm. Humans would naturally be lower than, say, lions in the food chain, but if humans want to they can just shoot the lion with a gun.

The idea of animal products which are not meat is even more confusing, because cows only produce milk after having a child, much like what humans do. Not only is it stealing the cow's milk which is supposed to be for cows, but cows produce far less milk after it would no longer be needed for their calf. This means that far more cows are produced than the amount that are needed to stay on the farm, so inevitably the calves are taken from their mothers at birth and cows have to be killed to sustain the production of milk.

Clarification: vegetarianism is to not eat meat or fish. If you eat fish, you're called a pescatarian. If you don't eat meat, fish or any animal product, and you refrain from the use of animal products in your life e.g. leather, then you are a vegan. A lot of people are getting confused about this.

I also wish that people would stop saying "I eat what I want to" or statements of that sort. They don't contribute anything to a discussion, because no government is telling you whether you can eat meat or not.