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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

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''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

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So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

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Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.

Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.

You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.

Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.

It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.

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Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.

You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists.

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And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless.

Well, no. I know from science and other things that God created the universe.

What is an Astargath? It seemeth to be something that posteth in the forum. What is it actually? Don't really know. It seemeth quite intelligent, however. And certainly, it does exist. After all, there are all these posts that it posteth.

But what is an Astargath made out of. Nobody really knows. Nobody has seen it. But the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. Of course, it could delete all its posts. Then it would be difficult to tell if it existed. But Theymos probably has backups.

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No you don't. You only proved that the universe had a cause or a beginning but you haven't proved that God is the cause. The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them.

That's what complexity does. The way complexity works in an entropy universe shows that God exists. The fact of cause and effect working the way it does, shows God through the ultra high - beyond conceivable understanding - complexity in cause and effect alone, to say nothing about the intelligence of the mind of man produced thereby.

Of course, even the lower intelligence of you and other people who won't accept the science that proves God, is still proof in itself that God exists.

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Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument

With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?

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I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.