Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on July 08, 2017, 06:58:40 AM

Quote from: btcton on July 08, 2017, 12:34:05 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on July 07, 2017, 05:13:26 PM

In case you missed it, ChipMixer.

Quote from: Kyraishi on July 03, 2017, 03:36:41 AM

Quote from: ChipMixer on July 02, 2017, 11:53:54 AM

If you are not satisfied with our service, please contact support in 48h (while your session is not yet deleted) and we can help you. Waiting few days then writing on forum while advertising bitmixer looks bit weird.

I have a question that probably a lot of users just starting to use chipmixer will probably share. What if the session is automatically destroyed after 48h and something happens, say the funds get stolen/private key doesn't work? Will support be able to help the user then?
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@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

As with other mixers and as is the nature of Bitcoin, there's not much that can be proven when you accuse someone of stealing.

For example, if a mixer/wallet/exchange is accused of stealing, no one can prove who actually spent the bitcoin since the only proof would be held by the person stealing and by the original owner, who might be the same person if the accusation is false. How could people know who is being truthful if the result would be the same regardless of whether the original owner spent the bitcoin or if the other party used the private key? It could even just be a hacker who managed to get the private key through other means.

There is a difference between ChipMixer and other mixing services, online wallets and exchanges, i.e. ChipMixer gives you private key. When we withdraw Bitcoin, you will get a receipt or a signed message saying you have withdrawn xx.xxxxBTC to 1xxxx...(or 3xxxx...). You or the service can check the withdrawal address you have given to see if you have gotten your bitcoins or not. Even if an accusation is made, you/service will be able to provide sufficient proof. If you couldn't, say they blocked your account, that will only make service's reputation worse. But that's not the case with ChipMixer. They are giving you private key which makes it harder to prove who send Bitcoin from that address.

Quote from: btcton on July 08, 2017, 12:34:05 AM

So in the end it all just comes down to trust and reputation of ChipMixer.

Yes, you are right! However, anybody, especially competitors, could use this flaw to destroy their reputation.

If someone accused ChipMixer once, maybe a lie!
If it happens second time, is it really as trusted as others say?
If it happens for third time, suspicious!!!
If an accusation is made again, negative feedback!

Well, now that you've mentioned this possibility i think it's really a bit daunting.

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

Does @chipmixer have any sort of strategy to prevent this from happening? Maybe get the person using the chipmixer service to insert a bitcoin address in the beginning and then just before the private keys are revealed, they have to sign a message with the exact same address to prove that it is still them accessing the private keys and nothing fishy is going on?