Quote from: jbreher on July 08, 2017, 09:40:34 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 08, 2017, 09:03:42 PM

a central goal of big blockers is emotional, namely the heads on spikes thinking..

Do you realize that it is literally impossible for you to know the "central goals of big blockers" better than the big blockers themselves know their goals?

I am just going based on what I read and various interactions.

I will grant you that there is no one BIG blocker, so you likely got me in regards to possible over generalizations that I may have made.

Quote from: jbreher on July 08, 2017, 09:40:34 PM

Stop ascribing to others things that are literally impossible for you to know. Especially when faced with a direct contradiction from those very persons.

I can do what I like in terms of ascribing, characterizations and my opinions about that - or how much weight to give to certain evidence. Of course, if there is evidence that undermines my positions and opinions, then surely I am interested, and surely I hope that I am learning through this whole process of interacting with posters in this thread and this forum.

Quote from: jbreher on July 08, 2017, 09:40:34 PM

i don't know if you are being super-stupid, super-unthinking, or super-dickish here, but that about exhausts the possibilities.

You seem to be attributing either malice or stupidness my various assertions, and it seems that you have not exhausted the range of possibilities. Aren't there a variety of genuine folks who are not stupid, but they are trying to grapple with their understandings about what is going on in this space and how to weigh the gamesmanship and the various protocols that are out there, whether it is segwit2x, segwit, BIP91, BIP148 or some other combination of variables, including trying to figure out whether the running of actual software is going to trigger certain outcomes, such as segwit, including at what point segwit's locking in might become inevitable? Aren't those legitimate concerns that can be confusing and even possibly contradictory?

Quote from: jbreher on July 08, 2017, 09:40:34 PM

For the record, I advocate big blocks because I am convinced it will bring us more usability, more security, and more value. And I have conveyed this to you before.

Of course, this is a theme that we come back to for quite some time because it is a part of the discussion of this thread - and it is part of the questioning about whether segwit2x is going to contribute to facilitating such a goal in the short or long term.

There are several contributors in this thread, including myself, who have asserted beliefs that the more likely scenario from the playing out of all of these games is to get seg wit first - while continuing with the various battles about 2mb hardfork or changes in governance - and so there seems to be some decently high probabilities that if bitcoin does not hardfork in the next 6 months (which seems decently likely) we would be continuing to have these kinds of arguments 6 months from now regarding questions about a 2mb blocksize limit increase? I think that it is difficult to predict for sure, but it seems that in 6 months we will likely have segwit locked in but no hardfork nor a 2mb blocksize limit increase. That is my current and tentative thinking about probabilities based on what is currently understood by me, for whatever that is worth?