Quote from: pereira4 on July 09, 2017, 05:25:19 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on July 09, 2017, 04:49:51 PM

Quote from: pereira4 on July 09, 2017, 01:16:55 PM

If miners stop playing stupid games and really want the best for bitcoin, they would stop stomping on the hardfork drums of war, and they would activate BIP141 as they have been told by everyone worth listening to in the space. But what happens when you give stupid janitors the ability to vote on engineering matters? that they will don't do the right thing.

Enable segwit with no stupid hardfork drama, and see bitcoin skyrocket.

Break bitcoin in half, see the price crash, and see everyone involved in the forked chain going bankrupt, with the price going to 0 on Forkcoin, and with Bitcoin crashing but going back 3 years in price and taking another 3 years to recover.

Your choice.

Stupid janitors that you're talking about here are actually the engineers who gets to decide what path would the project take since they have large amounts of money at stake for the system to continue rolling. Also, I don't see why we need to rush activating BIP 141. All of those unconfirmed tx before was clearly an attack to "emphasize" why we "need" BIP141 on as soon as possible.

It was all indeed Roger Wu spam attack as well, and we don't even need segwit, but that is not the question. The narrative is not if we need segwit or not anymore, segwit is going in one way or another, and we all know that BIP141 is the least disruptive, less annoying way to get segwit in. A hardfork would be a disaster for holders that simply want to sit back and relax, because their holdings will suffer, a lot. Not to mention the mess of 2 chains.

The mistake of anyone supporting the hardfork is clear. At this point BIP141 is objectively speaking the best way to get through this mess.

I partly agree with the soft fork scenario which is also quite amusing if activated however, sooner or later a hard fork would be inevitable since, well, intentions. At this point in time, many people would be torn in a dilemma; would it be their holdings that they would need to put at stake or the whole network and just pray that it pans out well? The activation of some good BIPs are clearly being stopped by politics in a "decentralized" network.