Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 12, 2017, 11:24:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 12, 2017, 06:44:18 AM

.... So when ComputerGenie began to make various arguments in that regard, I did not recognize or understand that he was making a kind of existential argument that in the end is irrelevant.

In other words, who gives a ratt's ass if LN is part of bitcoin or not. LN seems to provide quite a bit of functionality, as described in the FAQ linked article (above) and LN may or may not be used in the future (likely that it will be used), and I am not sure exactly what the speculation is, about LN taking away from bitcoin...

And therein lies the main problems:

You read what you want to read, not what's on the screen in front of you.

You misread the multiple times that I said I'm all for LN (as it's intended to be used).
You can't grasp that this thread is about Bitcoin.
You can't grasp that, in a conversation about Bitcoin, things that are not the Bitcoin protocol don't matter to the Bitcoin protocol.
You can't grasp that LN isn't part of Bitcoin, LN has no relevance to the Bitcoin protocol, and LN has no useful place in this conversation.

If you are a friend, rather than a foe, as you seem to imply, then you certainly are lacking in some of your explanatory abilities. and therein lies a significant communication problem. Tongue

Furthermore, I don't give too many fucks about whether or not LN falls in some kind of existential definition that you seem to want to describe when I understand that LN is intended to be sufficiently connected to bitcoin in order to facilitate bitcoin's functionality and therefore utility... so in that regard, even if LN is not technically an existential part of bitcoin, it still seems to play a pretty meaningful roll in various future possibilities of bitcoin - and especially connected with the segwit part of the segwit2x that is being discussed in this thread... so maybe there is some stretch in terms of topicality - yet I don't seem to be way off of the mark to be involving myself in such LN discussions within this thread.

And, your existentialist claims regarding bitcoin seem to be attempts to avert meaningful discussions about relevant topics rather than any attempt to clarify and or resolve differences of understandings.... or even possibly technical knowledge deficiencies of some other posters... since you are claiming technical (and apparently existential) expertise. Roll Eyes

NOT that it matters, but I am not very convinced about your proclaimed areas of expertise. Wink