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All of these "christian scientists" use the same strategy of misquoting and making up information and claiming it came from real scientists.

What about the research of scientists from the CIA and academic psychologists? Since they found that telekinesis exists over their numerous tests, this indicates that mind has power over matter. That would imply that philosophical materialism is not true.

No, they didn't.

What is so unscientific about these trials? Empirical evidence was posted, you posted only your beliefs. You have no real reason to object to a finding by the CIA, and no plausible objection to the psychic experiments on camera.
Read more:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_denying_evidence

You keep mentioning the CIA and this makes it even more of a joke. Yes, the CIA have once believed in telekinesis, time travel, psychics and other crazy things. They stopped funding those research a long time ago, there is also a movie mocking these 'secret' fails, it's called 'The men who stare at goats' and it is based on real facts. Those idiots really tried to kill goats by staring at them. As for psychologists, I think they may study it in their field, but there is absolutely no conclusion they can reach without the help of other fields like physics, neuroscience, biology, chemistry. I did not doubt the 'experiments', although there are holes in them. However, stating telekinesis exists, thus the soul exists and survives death based on those mildly serious (yes, they are mildly serious, i am starting to believe you fail to understand what scientific research means and how complicated it is) experiments is ridiculous.

What are the holes in the two experiments I presented? Do those holes plausibly rule out telekinesis? I claim that they do not and that the rigorous tests of the CIA and the camera are proof of telekinesis. I advanced this discussion by showing the experiments, but you did not mention any holes.