Quote from: hv_ on July 21, 2017, 07:33:49 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 21, 2017, 07:14:13 AM

Quote from: hv_ on July 21, 2017, 06:36:47 AM

Quote from: sinner on July 21, 2017, 05:31:25 AM

i'm a little confused.. we're getting SegWit, then a 2MB hardfork.. why does Tone Vays refer to segwit2x as "clown code" that's untested or something?

BIP91 somehow allows SegWit and SegWit2x to work together? is that right? is the segwit in segwit2x not the same as regular segwit?

They just cannot stop fighting - this is sad.... but I hope all understand that there is nothing for free. SW2x is a trade off to keep bitcoin un-split. Hope even the dumbest will learn this on soft way now.

I fear if that stupid fighting comes up again and NYA agreement will be broken - we are doomed and split?

You write like you are a nutjob hv_..... ... Is that you craig? roger? Jihan? Which one are you? Cheesy

Actually, I have seen videos of craig and roger, but I have never seen jihan talk so I am not sure whether he talks as crazy as those other two.

You are writing as if you are victim and that you already been fucked and you are writing as if you are in some kind of superior position at the moment because you have the New York Agreement. Apparently, the NYA is Hong Kong agreement 2.0 in which you and your big blocker nut job buddies continue to assert that the agreement was breached and read whatever the fuck you want into the agreement... such as the locking in of 2mb hard limit increase. It is like you do not understand nuance and think that if you just keep repeating your view of events (no matter how detached from reality they are), you are going to get your way.

The reality of the matter is there is no fucking mechanism that forces the 2mb upgrade or the hardfork... no matter how frequently you repeat it as if it were some kind of real and concrete thing.

No - I've no correlation to anyone .

I KNOW a lot of software, economics + game theory, industrial style projects, change management .... -> and RISK + REPUTATION issues.

Bitcoin has all of that and needs more discipline or it stays nichy - I guess you can follow?

I like to see some legend open a 'Lesson Learned' thread - or I do that. This should get the bitcoin project here up to NEXT LEVEL -> Scaling is one, Reputation is far more important.

Think of a perfect scaleable system it can do all you want > If only stupid freaks leads and sell it - who wants that ?

Bitcoin is not centralized, and sure if you are trying to find negatives about lack of efficiency, then you will find that. On the other hand there are systems that are in place that allow for almost anyone to participate.

I believe when nutjobs attempt to participate in a decentralized system, then they try to impose too many of their own values and have difficulties allowing the system to play out and attempting to find value in the already existing system and attempting to fix issues in incremental rather than drastic means?

Hopefully, we are all learning.

I am not a technical person, but I have learned quite a bit in the past three and a half years that I have been following bitcoin matters. Sure I get tricked into frameworks or tricked into misidentifying issues - and I am sure that core participants go through similar situations and maybe even sometimes get jaded or have to step back for a bit when they are getting too caught up in certain aspects whether that is politics or just what seems to be wheel spinning endeavors.