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Quote from: Astargath on July 22, 2017, 11:46:01 PM

Yeah, I'm full of shit. So far my life has been the same, I have never seen telekinesis. I will probably die at 80 and not see telekinesis with my eyes, you know why? Because it doesn't exist. Stop believing nonsensical garbage, is not helping you with anything, is it?

The claims you made do not follow each other and are not based in evidence: you never state that these tests are flawed, so what reason is there to reject them? Just because you were not a witness?

Chain of claims made by you:
I have never seen TK.
I will never see TK.
TK does not exist.
Knowing about (the existence of) TK is not helpful or practical.

You arguments never address the science. Not one of your arguments have ever addressed the evidence, you are covering up the results of these tests because you cannot explain them. I also linked to a test where the TK was recorded on video, but you did not care to see the tests since then you would NOT be able to claim that you have never seen TK.

While I don't necessarily accept the things you say, I haven't investigated them. But...

There are several jokers on who appear in threads like this one, who claim to support science, yet believe opposite the science. They don't have rebuttals to science, yet they won't accept it.

Personally, I don't know whether they are trolls, or are simply, staunchly in favor of their religion, and don't even recognize it as religion, but call it science.

It's about time that the science community wakes up and reports the truth right out in the open... that they don't really know much of anything. After all, the science theorists aren't the ones doing most of the new science work. It is the experimenters and the engineers doing it. Then the theorists adjust their theories according to what the engineers find that reality is.

Those troll-like jokers simply stick with the old theories of the theorists rather than accepting new findings, and the thing that reality has always been.

Cool

I have seen atheists adjust their worldviews based on the evidence, but not in this thread!
If the atheists and pseudoskeptics in this thread had anything substantial to say about this evidence, they would have said it already. Instead of offering reasoned rebuttals, they use troll tactics. Instead of investigating the evidence they claim that anything related to spirituality is impossible.

what evidence?
I guess you have never seen a magician perform. (you very conveniently did not quote my reply to you that referred to magicians... I wonder why?)
Make stuff vanish... saw people in half etc.
they do all that spiritual stuff too, and TK to boot!

only difference being
they do it a lot better ... and they tell you from the outset its ALL an illusion.

I get it you want to believe the spirituality and tk silliness.
I know it's far more fun believing all that woo woo shit actually exists.
Hell, I loved watching the Twilight Zone back in the day! (still do on netflix)

but at the end of the day
it's all just a magician's illusion or a derivative thereof.(see Occam's razor )
Not a fraudster like Uri Geller who tried to convince the gullible it's not a trick.spoon bending rubbish and the like)
To put it in a nutshell...
There is no magic, woo woo, tk,esp, ufos, talking to the dead, bigfoot,
ghosts,horoscopes, flat earth (there ya go badecker, one we agree on!) or invisible sky fairy etc etc etc.. ILL STAKE MY LIFE ON IT!
I put all that crap in one big box marked in capitals... "TOTAL BULLSHIT NONSENSE FOR THE RATIONALLY CHALLENGED" !!
Get over it , be rational and live in the real world. and BTW you best make the most of it
because this is your only life . No fantasy afterlife, no heaven or hell... (and quite frankly given a choice, if they did exist
I'd take the latter hands down... heaven sounds boring as shit but that devil character?.... sounds like a partying dude, lol)

.hey when's episode 25 anyway? (or is it 24? ..oh crap.. i lost count , damn i gotta stop drinkin!...........)

Cause and effect exists in everything.
Essentially all scientists know about cause and effect.
We have no real evidence about how cause and effect started.
Cause and effect is essentially programming.

Study cause and effect. You have been caused to say the things that you say, just like I have been caused to say what I say.

The depth and scope of cause and effect within the universe is so great, that only God could have started it. Entropy shows that there was a start. Complexity shows the greatness of cause and effect, thereby showing the greatness of God. This is pure science, not religion at all.

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What caused god?

Why is my answer not enough for you? Do your homework! The first cause is one that is self-existing and cannot be known in any way, this is called an Ultimate Religious Idea and it is marked Unknowable. Even though the answer is unknown, GOD has some actualities that validate his existence. On the other hand, there is ZERO evidence of a self-existing universe or any other self-existing thing!

not only that no current hypothesis is tenable, but also that no tenable hypothesis can be framed.

§11. Respecting the origin of the Universe three verbally intelligible suppositions may be made. We may assert that it is self-existent; or that it is self-created; or that it is created by an external agency. Which of these suppositions is most credible it is not needful here to inquire. The deeper question, into which this finally merges, is, whether any one of them is even conceivable in the true sense of the word. Let us successively test them...

http://www.constitution.org/hs/first_prin.htm