Quote from: Nite69 on May 06, 2013, 05:52:38 PM

Quote from: Micon on May 05, 2013, 10:17:44 PM

[as not to get into a deep debate about the fact that there are no random numbers]

Getting a bit deeper; there are truly random numbers: http://www.random.org/

But they practically do not differ from pseudo-random, unless you believe in some true random magic.. whoops, maybe some poker players do.. but what's the difference to pseudorandom magic ;-) And the seed next deck gets is quite much truely random. It depends on every players thinking delays etc.

1) I would say as a whole poker players do not believe in magic, religion, or unscientific ideas of any sort. Certainly there are exceptions but by nature we are skeptical, not accepting.

2) getting ever deeper still, IMO still still pseudo-random, just different seed.

"The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs"

the best pseudo-random number generator that sits best in my stupid human brain is this Intel chip:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/behind-intels-new-randomnumber-generator

I like thermal noise mixed with 8th decimal background radiation readings. I like how it feels in my belly. That doesn't make it any less pseudo-random IMO.

no numbers are random. if you could get the same measurements... throw it threw the same algorithm... or realize background radiation trends at the site... if you could calculate the entire world's flow of particles couldn't you determine all of these "random" numbers?