Quote from: kamenrunner on August 09, 2017, 04:13:05 PM

Quote from: supertee on August 08, 2017, 06:47:34 AM

Other than Monero and Zcash, IPs will be completely hidden. It's a truly anonymous coin.

No, Verge is not 'truly' anonymous. If it were truly anonymous Verge would not have rich lists. It is BitCoin + Tor. Any coin can have its transactions routed through Tor by simply running said coin's wallet and configuring their device to route all traffic through their Tor client.

Do you know what took down the Dark Net Markets AlphaBay and Hansa as well as BTC-e? It wasn't IP addresses which aren't even stored on the ledger, it was the traceability and linkability properties of BitCoin (I can see in the ledger which is stored for all time where you got money, how much you got, when you spent, and who you gave it to *in 'cleartext'*). And the DNM users used Tor and mixers as well and they still got caught. Verge has those exact same properties of BitCoin and thus would have led to the same take downs. Verge is a joke when it comes to privacy for those who understand how privacy actually works.

Possessing a rich list, as a malicious actor I can then use ledger analysis to go after and identify who is tied to the biggest wallet, etc. Going after node IPs (e.g. Monero nodes) isn't particularly valuable because there's no guarantee they even use the currency on said device or they aren't running Tor/I2P (e.g. I run Monero nodes over Tor/I2P). Rich lists give me that guarantee of going after a big wallet of Verge, BitCoin, etc.

Quote from: dazbog835 on August 08, 2017, 04:10:01 PM

Quote from: supertee on August 08, 2017, 06:47:34 AM

Other than Monero and Zcash, IPs will be completely hidden. It's a truly anonymous coin.

what about fungibility? is that also solved in Verge? Sounds almost too good to be true. As a monero supporter I'm torn

Nope, Verge doesn't, Verge has all the same fungibility issues as BitCoin whereas Monero doesn't. You can have tainted coins same as BitCoin because Verge's ledger is stored in the equivalent of cleartext. As an exchange, etc I can still tell one of your outputs came from SatoshiDice and then ban your account.

Quote from: kel-alt on August 08, 2017, 07:02:19 PM

Quote from: dazbog835 on August 08, 2017, 04:10:01 PM

Quote from: supertee on August 08, 2017, 06:47:34 AM

Other than Monero and Zcash, IPs will be completely hidden. It's a truly anonymous coin.

what about fungibility? is that also solved in Verge? Sounds almost too good to be true. As a monero supporter I'm torn

kel-alt -
As far as I know 'fungibillity' means you can divide something into pieces and it does not seriously affect
the value. Like you can cut an ounce of gold in half an both halves are still worth half of what the ounce
was worth, but if you cut a car or a teddy bear in half it seriously lowers the value.
Maybe you mean 'liquidity', which is the ability to readily exchange one asset or currency for another.
Verge is on Bittrex where there is quite a bit of volume. 355 BTC or 1.2 million USD is total volume as I write,
most of that on Bittrex.
With this kind of volume I imagine you could buy or sell 3 BTC worth anytime without much trouble. That
would be about 3 milllion or so XVG.
I just got an Android phone that will load the XVG wallet that is the
only phone wallet that sends a coin totally anonymously and will download it when I hear the password bug
has been fixed. Then maybe show it around and try to get more users on board.

Nope, wrong again. What you're referring to in economics is known as divisibility. If you had done a simple Google search you would see that Fungibility clearly is "is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution (i.e., interchangeability)" (Wikipedia). Verge does not have this property. As said above, I can still as CoinBase, etc tell you're sending from an address associated with SatoshiDice, etc and ban your account for attempting to use coin gained from gambling which violates my terms of service. Because that tainted coin(s) isn't accepted on exchanges, it is less valuable because I can't cash out on exchanges with it and thus it's value is effectively 0 compared to another Verge coin which isn't tainted (yet).

kel-alt - Aug 9 - Fungibility - One Verge is capable of being substituted for another Verge. I don't understand your English reading skills. My take is exactly like the sentence right before you claim Verge is not interchangeable with itself.
I am stunned by what looks to me like a serious misreading of what you read.

Quote from: supertee on August 08, 2017, 07:09:57 PM

There has been some rumors that Monero is not really anonymous. May some people will switch to Verge, which would be amazing.

Rumors != Fact. But... just for fun... are we playing the rumor game? Rumor has it like TorCoin (a BitCoin + Tor scam), Verge developers will also cash out of their Bitcoin + Tor scam by the end of next year leaving anyone foolish enough to buy a bag and not cash out before it's too late, holding a bag.