Quote from: D8V1D on August 08, 2017, 10:21:32 PM

@bensam1231

You can even get 31.2 Mh/s at 70% TDP and +650 Mem using 110 watts with GTX 1070. No AMD card can beat that price to performance on ETH.
We're comparing AMD to Nvidia so the 1080 Ti is included. No AMD card can beat the performance of the 1080 Ti on equihash.
That not even taking in to account how much more profitable Nvidia becomes with SP mods. So yes, Nvidia does have the best gpus for now.
Seriously pointless for me to even replying, blabber all you want, the numbers don't lie.

Yuh and TDP can be reduced on AMD hardware along with voltage, which doesn't reduce clockspeed. That's what happens when you just mine Eth, but you're pissing away profit from dual mining by doing that... So you shouldn't be doing that in the first place.

And no, you don't get 31.2 at +650. Time to show some screenshots to back that up.

You don't understand you're comparing apples to orange. For some reason you can't seperate things out logically. A 1080ti is a $700 GPU and CANT mine Eth worth shit. A 580 costs $350 right now. You are trying to use two different things and legitimize them as the same exact thing. If you were comparing a 580 to a 1080ti, you would just be comparing it Verse whatever it can mine... Like Equihash.

So lets do that. You can currently make $2.74 in revenue mining eth+dcr on a 580. A 580 costs $350. You can make $3.73 in revenue with a 1080ti mining Zcash at 635hash. Now the price of a 1080ti is $700 for the cheapest shitty one, the price of a 580 is $350 for a Gigabyte (the prices of which are still inflated and 580 prices are still coming down where 1080ti is at market price normally. Now we assume you would buy 2x 580s with the same amount of money. That'll use maybe 30% more power which is peanuts compared to what we're making and earn 50% more.

How is a 1080ti remotely a good deal? I guess it is if you like having an expensive paperweight that produces 35% less revenue for the same amount of money. I like that you talk about 'beating the performance' but neglect to mention that YOU SPEND TWO TIMES AS MUCH.

Once again Nvidia profit depends largely on niche coins. When people figure them out profit equalizes with Equihash, which is why I always talk about Equihash... because profit will inevitably always end up there. Dual mining eth+ Xcoin is long term profit, the markets are huge. It's more likely to end up negative on Nvidia centric algos and end up on AMD algos then vice versa due to niche algos being much easier to saturate (hence why that already happened once this year and has happened multiple times last year).

For comparison here... Zcash has 186Mh operating on it. A 1070 produces roughly 450h/s. That's 413,000 1070s. Assuming of course there isn't AMD hardware on there (which would be weird considering AMD can do other coins much better, but people are idiots). SIGT, one of your prized coins you like talking about and flaunting as 'infallible profit' has 1.2Th currently on it. SPs mod is doing 28Mh on a 1070. That's 42,000 1070s. Now I hope you can put two and two together here. Anytime ANY of the big players on Zcash (we aren't even including other Equihash coins or Lbry) catch wind of something new, they immediately saturate that coin. That's why SIGT is now earning LESS then Zcash and wont rebound. It's done. If it does it'll be due to a huge pump on the coin itself, but SIGT mining is also done so that doesn't really matter.

That's why niche coins don't last and they eventually equalize with Equihash. Because that's the biggest hashing algo for Nvidia that isn't based around Nvidia. When the hashrate for Nvidia gets large enough those coins eventually equalize with Dagger algos, as those are the next biggest body of coins that can absorb hashrate. That's also why you DONT tell your fucking friends, brag to your roomate, or look to get a handy from a stranger for how much money you're making mining niche Nvidia coins, because it all adds up and only takes one whale miner to fuck everything.

The new kids already ruined the niches on Nvidia stuff earlier this year as they started bragging about profits and how amazing Nvidia hardware is. It's done for the most part. There are still a couple niche coins which aren't talked about here and I have no intention of talking about them, but for the most part whenever a new coin comes along that is talked about in this thread it lasts for maybe all of a week before it all equalizes with Equihash.

Oh and to add a bit of context on support: When Equihash first came out Nvidia did well for about a week and then got completely destroyed for two months of very GOOD growth as Claymore kept improving his miner and Nvidia didn't have devs doing that besides occasional open source miners that quickly fizzled out because someone did it for a hobby on a weekend. That changed when Nicehash actually commissioned someone to make a custom miner, to which EWBF promptly stole their optimizations every time a new version came out. That's why EWBF speed hasn't changed in over six months, basically since Nicehash stopped improving their miner.

As I said, Nvidia doesn't have a Claymore. Getting a couple days of good profit from SP isn't the same as two months of constant growth as markets were equalizing. Nvidia wasn't always 'the best at Equihash and when it mattered, it wasn't (it was trailing behind by 50-70% in hashrate compared to a simple 480). I talked about ALL of this in this thread over the months that was happening before you crawled out of the Ethereum womb.

This is pretty basic stuff. For how much you like throwing your weight around here you seem to have absolutely no perspective on your purchases. Use one of your fancy math break downs.