Quote from: Gab0 on August 11, 2017, 05:55:13 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 11, 2017, 05:16:48 AM

(...) segwit2x hardfork are a lot of the same small group (...)

Small group?

Supporters of the agreement Segwit2x:

1Hash (China)
Abra (United States)
ANX (Hong Kong)
Bitangel.com /Chandler Guo (China)
BitClub Network (Hong Kong)
Bitcoin.com (St. Kitts & Nevis)
Bitex (Argentina)
bitFlyer (Japan)
Bitfury (United States)
Bitmain (China)
BitPay (United States)
BitPesa (Kenya)
BitOasis (United Arab Emirates)
Bitso (Mexico)
Bitwala (Germany)
Bixin.com (China)
Blockchain (UK)
Bloq (United States)
btc.com (China)
BTCC (China)
BTC.TOP (China)
BTER.com (China)
Circle (United States)
Civic (United States)
Coinbase (United States)
Coins.ph (Phillipines)
CryptoFacilities (UK)
Decentral (Canada)
Digital Currency Group (United States)
F2Pool (China)
Filament (United States)
Gavin Andresen (United States)
Genesis Global Trading (United States)
Genesis Mining (Hong Kong)
GoCoin (Isle of Man)
Grayscale Investments (United States)
Guy Corem (Israel)
Jaxx (Canada)
Korbit (South Korea)
Luno (Singapore)
MONI (Finland)
Netki (United States)
OB1 (United States)
Purse (United States)
Ripio (Argentina)
Safello (Sweden)
SFOX (United States)
ShapeShift (Switzerland)
surBTC (Chile)
Unocoin (India)
Vaultoro (Germany)
Veem (United States)
ViaBTC (China)
Wayniloans (Argentina)
Xapo (United States)
Yours (United States)

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So, I think that I kind of do get it, at least in terms of the reality of the various ongoing hostile attacks coming from a relatively small, deceptive and hostile camp.

If I did not know what you're talking about, I'd swear you're talking about Core.

It is one thing signing some vague/ambiguous agreement or "signaling intention" that does not mean anything, or putting some kind of BIP into place that actually causes a commitment.

Sure a lot of these groups agree about segwit, but there is little to no evidence that they actually agree to 1) increasing the blocksize limit 2x without some kind of tried and true software, 2) hardforking bitcoin or 3) changing governance.. .. so to the extent that segwit2x goes beyond mere segwit, it is fucking ass ambiguous and quite unclear who the fuck supports such.

The market seems to be siding with bitcoin at the moment, and I doubt it has to do with hardforking, or 2x increases or changes in governance, and in fact it seems likely to be optimism regarding segwit and optimism that bitcoin can withstand stupid-ass minority renegade hardfork attempts that at this point seem to be valued at about 8%? So how the fuck do you recognize support for some contrary to bitcoin when it is only pricing at about 8% from the same nutjobs who are trying to cause some kind of big blocker change to bitcoin? The market is not going with those nutjobs, it seems to be going with segwit et al, including core's vision of our little friend, aka bitcoin the real one.