Quote from: fluffypony on August 11, 2017, 02:38:47 PM

Quote from: b4h4mu7 on August 11, 2017, 02:19:50 PM

I know the place very well. As far as I remember he told me you showed up in a jacket and a smart shirt in the middle of summer and I don't take him for a liar. LOL.

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So first it was a full business suit, now it's a jacket and smart shirt?

And just to clarify - if I wore a t-shirt then it'd be fine?

So we're judging entire projects based on the clothing that one person chooses to wear?

I mean, if I knew that was the case I would pay more attention to my shoe choice in the morning.

Quote from: b4h4mu7 on August 11, 2017, 02:19:50 PM

So you broke bread with him then turned around and mounted a full scale smear campaign on his project.. lovely stuff.

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Not really sure what you're talking about.

Quote from: b4h4mu7 on August 11, 2017, 02:19:50 PM

Of course for obvious legal reasons any proper scammer would deny their involvement in the Oasis exit scam.

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SO WOULD AN INNOCENT PERSON, YOU IMBECILE.

Quote from: b4h4mu7 on August 11, 2017, 02:19:50 PM

At best the Bytecoin team is making fraudulent claims about their 2012 launch but they're far from a real scam.

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They released something, and lied so that they would own 82% of the tokens and could offload them on the market under the auspices of there being a much wider distribution. That's the very definition of "directly scamming [someone] out of money".

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A sports coat/jacket and a smart shirt in the heat of summer might as well be a full business suit. I called you a dooshbag, because you are dooshbag. I'm not judging your project based on your attire, I'm judging it by the actions of you, your team and its toxic community.

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Yes, you do.

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I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, just keep pleading innocent.

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I'm not justifying their actions if that was their original intention, I'm saying that maybe there is another side to the story outside of your scam accusations. They did release a groundbreaking cryptosystem although they didn't market it to the wider audience. There are some cryptic messages in their system so maybe the project was intended for that smaller community as a research project and then later they decided to release it to a wider audience. If this was the case, then it wouldn't be a scam it would just be a failure to factor in wider adoption. We'll have to hear their side of the story before we can make any concrete assumptions. I highly doubt a team of researchers would spend years developing a cryptosystem with the original intentions to pump and dump their holdings. It's more reasonable and logical to assume they spent years developing this cryptosystem to advance transactional privacy over the original Bitcoin project.

According the research from https://www.reddit.com/user/MR_CHNYD Alan Miers seems to be the chief architect of Cryptonote although his original repo doesn't have a snapshot. "Johannes Meier" is listed on Cryptonote.org as their chief cryptographer so one can safely assume it was his alias. Maybe the whitepaper was altered to remove his github link and name from the Cryptonote whitepaper. He also created cryptonote.me, most likely to introduce plausible deniability of his involvement in the project. Additionally, he was also a founding member of the Stanford University Bitcoin Group (https://angel.co/cognitohq/jobs). That doesn't strike me as someone who is looking to scam people with a pump and dump.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131020133207/https://cryptonote.org/

Taken from reddit:

---- On Fri, 30 May 2014 16:41:59 -0700 ***<@*> wrote ----

Good afternoon,

I was hoping to hear more details about the developers of ByteCoin.
There are rumors and fear being spread around online saying that
basically 80% of the ByteCoins were ninja-mined from 2012 up until BCN's
recent "public release". I'm not sure how a cryptocoin is supposed to
survive if it was mined to 80% by a smaller group of people. I can
confirm on the blockchain that 83% of the coins are mined already, but I
was wondering if CryptoNote had any historical information or more
details about working with ByteCoin devs? Who and how many people
actually mined these 154 billion coins?

Thank you for your time,
*****

Dear *****,

It is not of our interest to judge the decisions of Bytecoin developers and its outcomes. The coin was indeed released in July 2012 in a cooperation with us. Bytecoin developers are killer coders and are responsible for the vast majority of the CryptoNote's current code base. However, when the coin was released the two teams took completely different paths. CryptoNote went back to the researches, while Bytecoin was focused on building the cryptocurrency and the community.

There are polar views on the current distribution of Bytecoin. What we can confirm is that the coin indeed had several groups of early adopters (related to scientific, educational, and gaming industries) and is likely to be spread among at least a thousand users (may well be more).

I hope this helps.

Best,
Catherine

"Take that as you will. I would be most apt to trust what cryptonote.org said because they are the original developers of the protocol and everything seems to line up with their backgrounds. You can see that Alain graduated from Stanford and is involved in programming and design, and has gone on to be successful with many other projects. He was also a founding member of the Stanford University Bitcoin Group (https://angel.co/cognitohq/jobs)."

https://www.reddit.com/r/BytecoinBCN/comments/6cxz55/going_down_the_rabbit_hole_an_exploration_of/?st=j680pqsz&sh=ca5de910

Moral of the story here is you and your team made it out that they had negative intentions when maybe they didn't. You built your whole project on the foundation that it was a scam. To me, it looks like they tried to cover links to their real names before releasing Bytecoin/Cryptonote to the general public. I haven't seen any proof of them directly scamming holders out of funds as I have with the Monero-Oasis scam. In fact, Bytecoin only recently achieved all time highs and their devs are promising more development. Only time will tell what will come of it.