Quote from: bitserve on August 13, 2017, 11:14:15 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 13, 2017, 10:59:55 PM

Quote from: bitserve on August 13, 2017, 09:45:52 PM

Not even Segwit solves the exponential blockchain increase, but it does make it happen via Lighting Network. Yes, we fucking need L2. It's not if we like, don't like, prefer, not prefer, whatever.... IT IS A FUCKING NECESSITY.

What is this L2 that we supposedly need, now? Does it relate to scaling supposedly? Doesn't seem like we need shit when it comes to scaling because we already have something that is in the works...and gotta see how it (namely segwit et al) plays out, no?

Why we speculating about some abstract thing that we supposedly need when segwit has not even gone active yet?

Seems like these big blocker nutjob arguments are never going to go away, even when they got their own fucking fork and they still want to propose unnecessary changes to bitcoin regular - because nobody wants their bullshit and non-necessary non-segwit "upgrades"

L2 is Second Layer, LN. We need it because otherwise we are not really "scaling". Segwit would be a linear increase of 4x in the best ideal circumstances. probably much less depending on adoption and usage. Now? It is ok.... But at current growth we need to start implementing real scaling solutions that give orders of magnitude more capacity... not a mere 2x or 4x.... that's nothing.

Also... And I hope you will open your mind and realise what I mean... even if we don't RIGHT NOW need that unlimited capacity, the fact that Bitcoin is READY for it would be a huge message to the market. And we all like HUGE price rises, don't we?

Anyway, you are right. The moment now is to enjoy the Segwit activation. That's an amazing milestone for Bitcoin.

O.k. we agree about the goodness of segwit, and I have no problem that there is planning on the future, but I still have some difficulties understanding how all these supposed emergencies evolve that suggest that there is not enough future planning or that there had been some kind of failure in the past planning. Those suggestions about past failings are nearly pure fabrication by a bunch of nutjob bigblocker whiners, and in order to back up their fabrication they engaged in an ongoing campaign to spam the bitcoin blockchain for months to increase fees and transactions times.

Anyhow, I don't have any problem with work upon some L2 solution, but except for the ongoing sabotage and false narratives, their is no actual emergency in place, and I have no doubt that core already have people working on a variety of future scenarios that ultimately would have to go through the BIP process anyhow before they were to get adopted, which is also not a broken process.

Regarding my supposed non open mind, it seems that you are mischaracterizing my position, and merely because I say fuck a lot does not mean that I have a closed mind, and merely because I find a lot of these big blocker nutjob talking points to be distractions does not mean that I do not have an open mind. We are getting all kinds of positive shit going on in bitcoin, including seg wit going active and a lot of innovation that is likely going to be built upon that and a lot of known unknowns and likely several unknown unknowns, so I find it quite premature to be pushing these various talking points regarding the variety of supposed ways that bitcoin is broken when there are so many GREAT things that are happening - which also seem to be reflected in our current price and how the market is reacting to 1) activation of segwit and 2) bitcoin's recent perseverance through the bullshit renegade hardfork.