Quote from: Karl Hungus on August 23, 2017, 04:15:50 AM

Quote from: smooth on August 23, 2017, 03:43:08 AM

Quote from: Karl Hungus on August 23, 2017, 03:02:11 AM

I believe there's enough reason to give Risto the benefit of the doubt, that his bad decision making was due to extreme stress induced by his personal situation, substance abuse, bad influences, genetic pre-disposition to mental health problems. Not everyone might agree, but IMO good people can lose it mentally, and do really stupid things, even act dishonestly, but later can regain their true 'character'. I'm nearly 50, and in my life I've seen good people fall down into bad behaviour many times, and some stay there, and some manage to get back up. Those who get back up sometimes need a helping hand, and some understanding. None of us are black or white, we're mostly grey.

He may need a helping hand in life, and probably most if not all of us would be happy to do that.

He does not need a helping hand in paying his debts, as he has posted a screen shot of a polo account containing millions in cryptocurrency, and claimed tens of millions more in other wealth.

His actions, not only then, when perhaps under stress for personal reasons, but also now given time to reflect, amount to telling us to fuck off and continuing to blame and insult his victims.

Yes, he fucked up, but he can well afford to cover his mistake, far better I might add, than most of those scammed by him.

After that, and even better after repayment and a sincere apology for harm done, sure, give him help, second changes, etc.

Meanwhile, if people now invest time and money into developing the game into something far more valuable, his in-game assets will easily be worth enough to repay the debts in full, along with appropriate interest and penalties. Sure, some creditors may wish to negotiate a settlement given the possibility that effort at increasing the value of the game might not be unsuccessful. That is their prerogative, and Risto may or may not cooperate in such a negotiation. The effort to develop the game can proceed in either case; his participation at this immediate juncture is neither necessary nor obviously (given his recent behavior) a net positive.

Nothing I really disagree with above, although I see a lot of Risto's behaviour as surface level bravado, hiding a deeply wounded and damaged person underneath.

I do think Risto controlling his Game accounts now would make things much more interesting for the rest of us though. He can't withdraw any funds, and without admin access he can't do any damage either, but he could use his ~50% ownership to make the Game much more fun and dynamic. So far CK has been pretty technical, and the only battles have been with non-playing entities in other lands, so there's been no point for players to build armies. If Risto was able to control his accounts then I'd say there would be a good chance we'd see some real battles, and with a neutral GM, that would make things pretty cool, and the outbreak of 'war' would be a great promo for any ICO.

At the moment with the economic engine stalled, and the health challenge optional there isn't a lot of interest factor for new players, so even if Risto just plays the 'bad guy' and builds an army and picks fights with his 'enemies', that's more interesting than what we currently have.

edit: another option is to appoint a proxy for Risto's accounts, IMO his 50% is too large to sit idle, someone needs to activate these accounts, either Risto or someone else

He would likely did what he did before and create huge dump and catch orders and fuck with the game's commands--though just selling stuff cheap or hugely overpaying to fake accounts he owns would be an easy way to retake his assets--though he'd likely have to do it for real players to avoid detection. And while it is reversible it will make angry players when their "deal of a lifetime" is revoked by admin--personally I don't want to deal with the workload or rightfully angry players.

Though giving away the only leverage we have is pretty stupid too.

As for the 10% to Town--I was fine with that when I added it to the Bounty (as per smooth's brilliant suggestion), before Loaf and iluvbitcoins shot it down--nice to see they get it now.