Quote from: Karl Hungus on August 23, 2017, 05:04:19 AM

Quote from: smooth on August 23, 2017, 04:37:45 AM

Quote from: Karl Hungus on August 23, 2017, 04:15:50 AM

edit: another option is to appoint a proxy for Risto's accounts, IMO his 50% is too large to sit idle, someone needs to activate these accounts, either Risto or someone else

Yes, we were discussing on IRC newcorp which is part of his assets, though it wasn't immediately clear to me whether he is a majority shareholder or not. My suggestion was for the town to appoint a paid trustee to manage newcorp on behalf of the shareholders (probably with the choice of trustee approved by other shareholders). Appointing one to manage his assets more broadly is also likely appropriate.

If nothing else, protecting the value those accounts with reasonable administration will maximize probability and magnitude of the recovery to his victims.

A good administrator would be better than leaving them idle, and it would give someone an opportunity to build some in-game wealth from the fees.

Quote from: generalizethis on August 23, 2017, 04:42:57 AM

He would likely did what he did before and create huge dump and catch orders and fuck with the game's commands--though just selling stuff cheap or hugely overpaying to fake accounts he owns would be an easy way to retake his assets--though he'd likely have to do it for real players to avoid detection. And while it is reversible it will make angry players when their "deal of a lifetime" is revoked by admin--personally I don't want to deal with the workload or rightfully angry players.

Though giving away the only leverage we have is pretty stupid too.

That's a good point, if Risto was given his accounts back it should be on the strict understanding that he gets one chance only, and if he obviously starts creating problems that need reversing then he's banned. He might not want to agree to such conditions, so maybe this discussion is pointless anyway, but a 'rational' person would 'play' the accounts to maximise their value.

I would be prepared to give him a chance if he was interested, but I wouldn't be cleaning up any mess either ... maybe Risto will add his thoughts. I would like to see a 'rational' risto controlling his accounts trying to max his account value, it would be good for the Game.

He was given that opportunity before with the Zechsdick char and all he did was cause trouble.

If you have a kid who is a drug addict, it is better to sooner (rather than later when they overdose), to acknowledge that they've changed and the person who was your son or daughter simply doesn't exist due to the chemicals restructuring their brain.

I hope risto gets help with whatever is troubling him, BUT I'm not going to help enable his behavior, especially when it shits all over most everyone else. Though I'm sure some who made huge profits on his last game bender, and didn't have any cleanup to do, will be anxious for him to return in all his catch/dump glory.

And here's a hint for all those watching: If your solution adds to the admin workload or depends on PJ "Just Doing It," I'm going to stand against it unless the benefits can be rationally validated as more beneficial to the admin themselves in payouts or in the delays sure to follow in anything associated with PJ.

There are costs in time and work that the Dev fund no longer pays. Bad enough i'm paying myself out of my own invested and diluted funds.

On IRC I see that Speed has a plan that pays for itself--that's what we need more of. Not "let's just give risto his account back and hope the admin will fix it before he leaves with more funds."