Quote from: CoinCube on August 28, 2017, 01:37:54 AM

Quote from: Ibian on August 28, 2017, 01:27:07 AM

It is. Knowledge defies faith, which is why god went poof in a cloud of logic.

Just skimmed that link and not gonna bother with it, except for this little tidbit: "Our model explains things such as why stars look fair and beautiful to our eyes when it serves no credible Darwinian purpose to do so."

Yes it does. Stars are not dangerous to us so there was never a reason to develop a negative reaction to them, and we like sparkly things. Probably because water is easier to find when it reflects light, water being required to survive. And of course we use them to navigate, probably since millions of years ago. Stars benefit our survival.

That seems trivial to me, which is why I will assume the rest is as well.

I am actually sympathetic to your position as I was a strong agnostic/atheist for most of my adult life. I ended up that way by reading the Old Testament and being turned off by the barbarism of those times. That combined with a very skeptical personality and exposure in my youth to a disproportionate number of inarticulate religious folks set me on a 20 year path of firm agnosticism. I viewed the religious as foolish holding quaint but outdated and untrue views.

It took me the better part of a quarter century before I gradually realized that the inarticulate bumpkins of my youth despite their lack of sophistication were more or less correct and it was I with my smug intellectual superiority that had adopted the untenable position.

I reached the conclusion not due to any great spiritual event or conversation but the application of logic and consequence. Below is the logic that pulled me away from agnosticism. It is essentially an essay divided into 6 parts.

Since you have adopted the position you have I recommend reading it if for no other reason then to understand the logical basis of an opposing view.

Health and Religion
Religion and Progress
The Nature of Freedom
The Beginning of Wisdom
Faith and Future
The More Rational Model

The More Rational Model....

our model explains...
bla bla bla....

what a load of utter bollocks