Quote from: Frizz23 on May 13, 2013, 07:21:36 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 13, 2013, 05:56:34 AM

BFL_Josh: "Originally Posted by swissminer

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Hi Josh
I understand your frustration. Having worked in IT as an engineer and project management consultant, I believe that you could not survive in a corporate environment if you would tell your customers or superiors, it is done when it is done.
Certainly there were numerous key mistakes made along the process or BFL would not be in this situation. Giving a concise end date, when really overall schedule uncertainty was in the order of >100% was one of them.

Huh... my past employment history would seem to disagree with your assessment. I have told many a supervisor that it will be done when it's done. That's the thing about being in a position where your skills are valued and you aren't just another cog in the machine. You are the one driving the timeline, because you produce results. If someone is telling you when something will be done, you aren't the one delivering results... the guy or gal telling you when to do it is the one delivering results. You're just a replaceable part at that point."

And here we seem to cut to the chase of BFLs failure: Arrogance and total lack of project management.

Josh: "I have told many a supervisor that it will be done when it's done."

Never in my whole work experience (25 years in IT) did any one of my superiors accept a "it's done when it's done". They always wanted to have some estimate (time, effort or money wise). This simply is the way professionals work.

Josh: "That's the thing about being in a position where your skills are valued and you aren't just another cog in the machine."

Josh is hinting that only in "his position" one can do whatever he wants, because his skills are so much more valuable than the skills of anyone else (aka us worker slaves). That he doesn't have to play by the rules.

This ignorance and this arrogance will be the downfall of BFL.

Yes, in all my time in business, I could have never have that done.

Companies usually want a timeline, ask for how long that is going to take, you start a project plan and then you will constantly mention what the plan is, if it is going to be met and whether or not it needs to be amended. If people depend on you and you say "Well ti will be done when it is done" you will maybe not get fired. In my line of work, who gives a shit what my line of work is, you don't get fired. You just don't get booked anymore. Then, after some time, a letter will fly in. A letter that basically states how the project had been escalated, what the delays cost the other company and how much YOU are going to pay them. I have seen this happen before and it went into the millions.