Quote from: CrazyLoaf on August 30, 2017, 11:12:49 AM

Quote from: generalizethis on August 30, 2017, 09:48:45 AM

How about we don't change a thing when it comes to coin supply (Town doesn't want any part of it ATM as it seems to be adding confusion to what should be a simple exercise) and leave the exchange asset at ck millions as the bounty creator and bounty receiver want it.

I'm trying to think of what kind of organization issues a fund raising campaign without any benefits other than the game doing well, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME another player raises the possibility of crowd funding with a payout with game currency?

"I was all ready to give 50 xmr to Speed's initiative, but now I want to give to this crowd funding and get paid on top." Roll Eyes

Also, any talk of a governance asset should cease until we get an actual governance plan.

This is still the "CK Millions" as outlined earlier for M/CKM, just with additional clarity and a 2:1 dilution (50%) versus the 60% one that doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

And no where did I say the tokenization has to happen NOW. Speed's initiative, along with other items, should happen before a crowdsale or more active exchange seeking activities.

Also, just stop it with this "paid on top" business. I am willing to donate to Speed's initiative after not getting ANY of my initial CK XMR investment back, not to mention the missed depo payments.

Now, I'm glad you were able to cash out 5k XMR from CK (so almost $650k) and understand that you had put more XMR than that into the game, so it is still a net XMR loss for you, but it's getting old what you keep insinuating when, from a reasonable perspective, you were one of the largest game raiders.

Without a lone whale like Zech to raid as you did, the game would have to be worth tens of millions with strong volume just for me to get out what I am owed from depo payments, not to mention my initial XMR investment, without absolutely crushing the market. Now compound it by all the other players suffering from a net loss who may want to start seeking even some slight recovery and you should start to see how your repeated proclamations seem, at the very least, a little foolish. Really, I don't see how donating to Speed as well as trying to provide some input on a potential crowdfund where I'm not getting a damn bit of the money is me getting "paid on top."

Finally, in regards to a governance asset, that has been brought up by the forum and seems to be appealing to those who believe in a separation of ownership and currency units. Also, it does seem more compelling after hearing from boomboom in regards to how NXT handled a similar problem.

I put in 12-14 k in xmr, so don't bitch that I took out 4k--the small amounts before that were me paying myself out of what I've invested -- you can fuck off with trying to guilt me for taking out 1/3 of my investment when it made sense to diversify.

Your timing with the crowd fund is moronic as some (if you're paying GREAT!) will see that and wait until they can get something in return.
You misread the quoted material as I was making that point, NOT making a statement about your intentions.

Also, have a crowd fund plan, BEFORE you initiate the proposal.

As for the ownership token, see above.