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Regarding the question: how does #teamflat explain GPS satellites?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave

"In radio communication, skywave or skip refers to the propagation of radio waves reflected or refracted back toward Earth from the ionosphere, an electrically charged layer of the upper atmosphere. Since it is not limited by the curvature of the Earth, skywave propagation can be used to communicate beyond the horizon, at intercontinental distances."

So, you beam a radio signal towards the ionosphere/dome from a ground station dish. The signal reaches the ionosphere/dome and it bounces back down to Earth from the sky. This would make it seem like the signal originated from a satellite, but in fact it originated on the ground.

And anyway you don't need satellites to determine "GPS" location. You just need to be within range of cell towers and triangulation math will do the rest. This would work basically the same on a flat Earth or a globe Earth.

#teamglobe should probably reconsider using GPS as evidence of a globe earth. Feel free to correct me.

Geo-location from Cell towers assumes you are simply at ground level wherever it determines you to be.
GPS is available and functioning regardless of weather and location. GPS works in the middle of the ocean, hundreds or thousands of miles from any tower.
And of course GPS IS OPEN SOURCE. You can design and build your OWN RECEIVER to take advantage of it. You can test your ideas for yourself.

Okay, disregard the cell tower point, because that confused my main point.

My main point is that it is possible to have a navigation system that is nearly identical to GPS without using satellites at all. All you need is a network of powerful land-based radio transmitters at various points on the Earth. Not only that, but because the signals are bounced off the ionosphere, you could make it SEEM as if the signals were coming from satellites in the sky.

Loran-C is a real-world example. It was basically GPS but without satellites. And it worked in the middle of the ocean...

Since these are military technologies, they have no obligation to tell the public how the system really works. In fact, it would be wise for the military to concoct a story like 'something something satellites" instead of reveal the true nature of it all.

So they would make up something much more complex and hard (satellites) to hide how their actual system works? You see how that makes no sense right?

The temperature of the orbiting Space Station's Sun-facing side would soar to 250 degrees F (121 C), while thermometers on the dark side would plunge to minus 250 degrees F (-157 C).20 Mar 2001

In the model you use you this is stated. But you must understand that nothing can operate with such extreme temperature swings. It would fuck up big time...space shuttles satellites all fake. You are living in a Fantasy world....LOOK AT THE FIGURES..

Without thermal controls, the temperature of the orbiting Space Station's Sun-facing side would soar to 250 degrees F (121 C), while thermometers on the dark side would plunge to minus 250 degrees F (-157 C). There might be a comfortable spot somewhere in the middle of the Station, but searching for it wouldn't be much fun!

Fortunately for the crew and all the Station's hardware, the ISS is designed and built with thermal balance in mind -- and it is equipped with a thermal control system that keeps the astronauts in their orbiting home cool and comfortable.

Did you just quote that paragraph without the next one on purpose?