Quote from: iamwagner on September 24, 2017, 02:21:45 AM

Quote from: muhlambo on September 24, 2017, 01:44:40 AM

Actually, if you really think about this situation, this all noise and fuss about gens is done pretty much from nothing. Here's why:

- No one can ever regulate perfectly the distribution of gens
- Bad distribution isn't really dev's fault
- Anyone can show up as multi-person with bots and gain the gens to the one table
- that guy can't really win much due to low buy walls
- Whales always exist, deal with it

Most of the Minereum and Artemine Genesis addresses are held by the scammer of the system. Which in turn makes this a scam coin.

How many people are rushing out to use Minereum. ZERO How many people are going to rush out and use the ICO factory. ZERO. ICO's are already under .gov pressure so Artemine is done before it begins and that's without the scam. This project is a no go from 10 different angles.

So we have most of the genesis address held by a single person + a product that is not used.

Game over.

And muhlambo your starting to give yourself away. Your a little too invested in pumping this. If you keep post over and over daily everyone is going to figure out who you are.

Finally this will always exist. Deal with it.

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WARNING
LONG POST, please read until the end before making a decision...... also please read with an open mind set..

I'm no way saying this project is a scam... the information i'm about to provide is details i believe we should've all known, that we should've been told about from the beginning. With the lack of communication from the dev, its apon the community to find crucial details that should be made public. I'm about to provide some addresses that are of concern and explain my findings so everyone can see for themselves.

I'm going to start with an obvious one alot of people noticed during the first day of ico.
0x03b7c8d1f3974565150cf15d15543e1af59a0e85
here is an address that was used to fund eth (gas) to 816 gen. addresses then, all those addresses sent all there mne to ico... all instantly by using a bot. you do the math 816 addresses all 243mne thats around 200k mne into ico during last hour of day one.... best thing yet all addresses were completely inactive before this......

that is an easy one to see.. all it shows is someone has 816 addresses, never used it until last hour of day one ico and decided to dump into the arte

now we are getting alot more complex..... 36 days ago a bot pulled all the unused eth(gas) from over 5k addresses... that is the link.... now within those 5k addresses you will find hundreds of what i call "burner" addresses... these regular eth addresses group mne gen addresses together to send a larger amount of mne to certain places...this now links thousands of gen addresses to a single person.. how many to be exact, idk i cant keep count nor do i want to spend the time but everything provided below will be linked to that same address that collected the eth...

here is the address used to collect eth
0xaae9df016092cefde18f3918a9a73ad8fe0eb1a0

here are some burner addresses that have large amounts mne from gen address
0x77612c9da071b4481a4e1bdd9c614c6472b749b6
0xF032CE9B154be7329C4c7C8F0031D15aeff451ee
0xFE0208942675E3e0c5D12742ea8abaeA8F48F81F
0xabEa2b2beCC4c7335F0E5ee937214311AD795333
0x2DA502D602EbA3a656222fC861947a29771F3bAa
0x69Af051CDBc71fc7b2e757c399De779Dc3173737
0x971c5f32b2625f1b781291f082B722c82803403C
0x5D14F6F0A094c6706dd0A73aC889AA448E51017D

here is an address used to dump into live coin right as mne hit ath..... this also ties 100 gen addresses together
0xaE641Cc64f35AE1C3E0eD58D03Fea4885dfC307F

here is a burner address used for mne durning ATH and also arte ICO.... another 170 address linked together
0xcede51a076712196dcab014742616ac65e56673f

wonder why mne hit a low right when ico hit.. here is an addy sent to livecoin right before ico
0xcea94e97bd00dcadc94b13cfa2bbc1932e88b5a5

second day of ico???
0xd61850Ff0b28B72864F4e5E543a0a652E7ab7b61

just not large amount of gen addresses pair... even smaller amounts to hide the link...
0xe603CB1fAd1f5Eb0B62CB48bF0049a9E803e5A22
0xe20c2ec41b6881ddc1e43602063c6cf3ff2876d8

another big burner address being sent to livecoin
0xf032ce9b154be7329c4c7c8f0031d15aeff451ee

what do all these have in common?Huh look at the eth transaction... 36 days ago a bot took the left over eth out and sent to a single address.... all of these are linked together by that address..... and thats not even close to it.... what about the first deposits into livecoin....first addresses to deposit were all from a single source... dont believe me... check for yourself
0xe2f9484c422f393dc48d791e8cf1d17aa9713995
0x217EE4aFC8F8c0bB57075273ac2C264202305E12
0xd61850Ff0b28B72864F4e5E543a0a652E7ab7b61
0xdC19457530b9a60808Ed60125273335e4160DfC5
0x1545d607723ffDe90B79b786b2cDe7277a79F5F8
0x4AA8252e42e1d41b41Fec1D368Ce17c98A808802
0xF0019be307F7756e45d6bfB0F5cc4BA2500274d8
0xc6e7853B83709e716aADD4B2b4c4CB51Bf8cf4cd
0x7A638B9eD6471fE8Ffa08d9ffbD18aA13052a896
0x1624e4Afa6642D533A56DD5e97Cebc54dE9cC2eD
0x7d08e8851DDA46C27bEefe3b644520A9a3Bc228E
0xB3a6b21ECc8eC69eE66FC26a77fa624A8c8126f9
0xa61Ab4398B9Ec923Ba02c575d97a9Cd86D390d7f
0x30c72242EaC5a89e8a5613F7c0CA872aF08176e2
0x69a3510902B7DEb6A290667D6514F5b82829DD77
0xdC19457530b9a60808Ed60125273335e4160DfC5
0xE2f9484C422F393Dc48d791e8cF1D17Aa9713995
0x9FF95361dd77CACb55d74d94348e60f0691F0f54
0xf280De47b474E1eAA942ae539Dd9Be570d43Ec1E
0x3f2700b9D800096f598736b643891CD74816CC98
0xd61850Ff0b28B72864F4e5E543a0a652E7ab7b61
0x57D626c7a3a100A9C659601D3bd073225F3D43f3
0xc3d4114F5aedf579dd5E656B8Da23dca8A62a80f
0xED4F292bb7f85ccEB564613bebA41D5306f0E2fd
0x8b092Af6dc3cA8654b00186CEEae2C0197B02deE
0xb718Be046D4E6302eee08a06F65B9C1778C227FE
0x7A638B9eD6471fE8Ffa08d9ffbD18aA13052a896
0x15dc6BeBBD91AE7B96c0D0e5671539470b026611
0xE7689B56aD80D1834C6DCB2105A14A4Ca30b17e9
0x00d0c98ed04dec0cffe571a9deed871feabc34f6
0xE2f9484C422F393Dc48d791e8cF1D17Aa9713995
0x7b247822De8763C3CDa86b5680E14f3A20B78B98
0x77612C9Da071b4481a4E1bdD9c614C6472B749B6
0xE2f9484C422F393Dc48d791e8cF1D17Aa9713995
0x8fD10Ac278badB13a2e296f2EEe06bfCDcCa9378
0x69a3510902B7DEb6A290667D6514F5b82829DD77
0x00D0C98ed04DEC0cFFe571A9DeeD871feAbC34F6
0xd61850Ff0b28B72864F4e5E543a0a652E7ab7b61
0xE2f9484C422F393Dc48d791e8cF1D17Aa9713995
0x396BD4FB0708A847298e7C32CFc1c91F342Eb5A5
0xa459DCED416eFAdcecfa3A0E8bA99Dcad358EdcD -------1 coin deposits
0x69Af051CDBc71fc7b2e757c399De779Dc3173737
0x28B5Bd9dE137342240E0A404d6F13a7a3121c415
0x9FF95361dd77CACb55d74d94348e60f0691F0f54
0xfcD9309aB791F1aB6cda79c1EDe24E8B342Fad2D
0xc3d4114F5aedf579dd5E656B8Da23dca8A62a80f
0x9b6A2FAB03D506BEd470D7Fea67D23E53E52DDeC

wanna take some more research yourself... go to mne gen address list... pick ANY random address and i bet MOST will link to the ETH addresses i provided

i said most.. why??? a few reasons... like the first example i gave you... those 816 addresses dont link.. why... they were inactive 36 days ago... also one more address that doesnt link but has 128 addresses in a single burner address ready to be sent....
0xC40B312169c7F8d93679EF1E91da989693cB5f93

all this really shows is that 1 person might have close to all of the mne gen addresses... or maybe a few people have almost all of them.... more money for the project some might say.. i dont really care... what im trying to give you is the information you HAVENT been given.... please look around and tell me what i missed

I do not think you're qualified for any type of statement at this point. By the way I'm buying 10k Mne later next week to make my point clear.