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To anyone that calls themselves a communist or socialist: Did the Soviet Union prove anything?

compare EU and USSR.
both are socialistic, but who succeed ?
and thats a point: implementation is matter, ideas don't.

They weren't socialist.

they are. from years before Marx born to present days.
UK for example, still called "most socialistic country after Soviet Union", probably forgeting China or they really more, nvm.
note: European "revolutions" happen AGES before Russian one.

Sorry for not making this clear-- the USSR wasn't socialist.

sure, they are.
as well as Kambodia/DPRK/China&etc and US. just different branches. Stalinism and Trotskism, respectively.

Socialists need not be marxist in their analysis or politics.

And let me be clear-- Stalinists aren't what Marx had in mind. You only need a few things by him to realize that.

Also, to call the US socialist is hilarious. Tell me more funny and false things.

socialist need to be told what they need and what not. they just exist, with you consent/approval or without. as most other things does.
sure, its hilarious. and false. sure, it may hurt. someone feelings/beleifs. for anyone uneducated, to understand what meant and/or look at situation/country more objective/critically.
US is plain and CLEAR manifestation of both Marxism and Trotskism. did you ever read "Manifesto", even once ? did you even read Trotsky strategy/management proposals ?
its CLEARLY implemented in US for 90% percent, both.