Quote from: tcp_rst on May 22, 2013, 12:03:44 PM

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Quote from: tcp_rst on May 16, 2013, 04:07:10 PM

So is this really a "conservative vs less-conservative" issue as some in the thread imply or is the larger issue about waste, fraud and abuse in government generally? 'Cause God knows conservative groups in America are gonna ride this all the way through the next election cycle as if no conservative-run government has ever done the same sorts of things. Outrage about this specific incident should be more broadly directed otherwise it's just more of the same partisan crap.

Following the wise advice to never fight your enemy when he's engaged in shooting himself in the foot, I don't think any particular work is in order. Maybe except fixing a big heap of popcorn. An extra large biggie supply, dripping with real butter and high in salt. Then it's time to watch the circus.

The problem with useful idiots is of course that they are, well,....

idiots....

I mean, we've got the IRS thing, the AP thing, the Fast and Furious thing, Bengazi.

What the FUCK???

Business as usual. Here are 34 Bush-era scandals to stimulate conversation. Oh, and BTW, this was just the first 4 years.

http://www.salon.com/2005/01/18/scandal_11/

You did in fact provide a link to 'business as usual scandals.'

I don't think any of my friends in Mexico consider their 300 some dead killed with Fast and Furious weapons to be 'business as usual'.

And I'm sorry, but similarly, Bengazi does not fall within any stretch of business as usual.

So rather than providing the answer - you've clarified the problem.

I'm sorry for your friends in Mexico. But it pales in comparison to the nearly 5,000 troops and 120,000 civilians killed in Iraq, including both my little brother and my best friend. A war started based on fabricated evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Not defending either F&F or Benghazi--just saying obviously partisan outrage adds to the problem. So what's your solution? I'm saying that if Obama resigned tomorrow absolutely nothing would change so fight the real problem.

My sympathies for you in the loss of your brother and friend.

The death count for the border drug war last time I checked was approaching 10,000, so yes, it's an ignored problem of significant magnitude.

You claimed "business as usual", I refuted that with respect to F&F and Benghazi. Now we're going to talk about Iraq and WMD? This is called "shifting the goalposts".

I don't really have a problem with that, given that you admit that this is erroneous .... Nothing about F&F or Bengazi constitutes "business as usual." Different things can be read into that....WH fascist inclinations, total incompetence, etc....but it sure as fuck isn't business as usual...