Awe Fuck... let me fix the reference.. .because I cited you in the wrong post, earlier... Although, in your response, you knew what I was talking about. This one here has the proper reference.... .

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Quote from: rjclarke2000 on September 28, 2017, 04:46:39 PM

Now we are in a thread where we can be a little off topic I thought I would mention I have come home from work

if you're still working you've been failing as a legendary imo. and that vomit thing is not gentleman even. You should have a platoon of wet nannies serving yourself and the kids now.
Because being breastfed is better than a cigar.

Whoa whoa whoa.

Failing? My first bitcoin was bought between $100-$200 and the most I have ever spent on one bitcoin is $400. I accumulated some coins during the bear market after gox. To not work I would have have had to invested around $50k at this time. (Which I did not unfortunately)

I wish I was earlier in to bitcoin believe me.

Anyway, I feel I am in a decent position right now.

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on September 28, 2017, 10:16:41 PM

I am aware this is a good idea but all my "spare cash" has gone on a building project we have nearly completed. I have had no spare fiat. I had a goal regarding the minimum amount of btc I'd like to hodl from the start and this has been increased by bcash coming along so I am pretty content with what I have. Always nice to have more but as I said, I've had other projects in the go and I have to inject money there.

I understand what you are saying; however, I still think that you gotta figure out a way to keep cash flowing into bitcoin.. and I am not just saying because I put my money where my mouth is.

I will give you a hypothetical first, and then I will also describe what I did in 2015.

1) Hypothetical:
Let's say that you have a real modest income of about $3k per month.
a) you spend about $2k per month on food, housing, entertainment, maintaining an emergency fund, feeding the kids throw-up food, etc....
b) you spend about $1k per month on various investments including your business and projects.

All I am saying is take 1% of that.. and of course, you could do even lower than 1%, but bitcoin is likely to continue to be a very good long term investment. You could consider the whole income - and that would be $30 per month into bitcoin (which could be too high), or you could just consider the business related income which would cause you to inject $10 per month into bitcoin. Of course you could choose a smaller amount, like .5%, yet my point is that you should continue to set aside something for bitcoin.,. even if you have already invested into bitcoin because there continues to be few other investments that are long term going to be as good as bitcoin.

2) what I did in 2015: I had spent the whole of 2014 investing into bitcoin, so at the end of 2014, I felt that I had pretty much established my investment stake into bitcoin. In the beginning of 2015, my plan was to continue to dollar cost average into bitcoin throughout 2015 and into the future; however, to be a hell-of-a lot less aggressive about my investment (as compared with my 2014 approach), since by then, I felt that I had already established a very decent and respectable bitcoin stake. So, yeah, in essence, I was going to ratchet down to something like 1% per month or some similar amount that worked with my then cashflow.

In late January 2015, I encountered an unexpected business situation, that pretty much screwed up my cashflow from February 2015 until about December 2015 - and the first couple of months were the worst (February and March), but the whole year was kind of fucked in terms of my cashflow.. so yeah, I did have to stop buying bitcoins for the year; however, I only completely stopped in February and March.. while I reassessed and reorganized, and even April, May and June, I was able to begin to buy very small quantities of bitcoin. What happened through the remainder of the year was that I had a whole hell-of-a-lot of real small transactions; however, throughout the totality of my down period, I was still able to increase my bitcoin stash by about 1.5% for the entire year through my extensively streamlined purchases of BTC... .. and it ends up that those 2015 purchases had pretty much averaged in the $250 per BTC territory, which ends up being between 16x and 20x (depending on if we refer to current prices or the ATH prices from nearly a month ago).

Sure, maybe 2015 was a bit of a unique situation because the prices were so low; however, I still think that it is prudent to continue to invest in bitcoin - which personally, I continue to do, even though I have a stash that is quite decent and adequate - but it also continues to grow on a regular basis, even if only a couple percentage points a year.

Quote from: Odalv on September 28, 2017, 10:41:09 PM

If you buy enough bitcoins at the beginning (a much lower price), then it is stupid if you want to increase your bitcoin by + 1% and invest twice as much.
You understand ? (English is not my native language.)

Well, I will concede that there can be a variety of approaches and perspectives about this particular topic, but I doubt that your characterization of continuing to buy or invest in bitcoin is fair or accurately made out to be "stupid.

Surely, I can imagine hypothetical scenarios in which people would be selling and not buying more, and those would be scenarios in which they have way too fucking many bitcoins and they are over allocated in bitcoins, and this surely does not seem to be the case with RJClarke..

Accordingly, we should be attempting to consider the case in front of us, rather than some hypothetical situation that is not currently in front of us... and then asserting that it would be "stupid" based on some non-existent hypothetical situation.

I know that your hypothetical situation does not apply here because RJClarke has been making assertions that he would be able to cash out certain portions of his bitcoin stash if the price were to go up to some much higher level such as 3x or 5x or 7x... so in other words, RJC is not currently cashing out of his bitcoins and RJC is not currently overinvested in bitcoin.. therefore, RJC is waiting, hoping and possibly praying (between puke episodes) for BTC prices to appreciate more...

It is my view that in a large number of situation (in which someone does not perceive himself to be overinvested in BTC), then he should continue with accumulation strategies - unless of course, he does not believe bitcoin to be a good investment. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable that bitcoin could double in less than 10 years, should be taking prudent steps to continue to invest in bitcoin because that means that he believe bitcoin to be a good investment, and there are not too many investments that you can have that level of confidence.

of course the strategy could differ from mine, and maybe it would be a strategy to just accumulate dollars in a bitcoin fund and to have those dollars ready to buy on dips, otherwise dollar cost averaging might work, too.

Quote from: Odalv on September 28, 2017, 10:41:09 PM

But I gamble too :-) Selling tops, buying dips and extract cash. (with 5% of my long term holdings)
Buy back is not wise beacause you can lose everything(100%) and everything you can win is only (5%). ... but good for gamblers :-)

I do something like what you are doing, too; however, I do not characterize what I am doing as gambling. I do characterize what I am doing as a form of hedging my bets in terms of preparing for the downsides and attempting to profit from what seems to be nearly inevitable volatility. If anything bitcoin seems to be nearly guaranteed to be volatile, and selling on the way up and buying on the way down remain decent strategies to profit from volatility, so long as BTC prices go up in the long run (and BTC prices going up in the long run is a kind of built in presumption that I have that I believe to NOT be based on gambling, but instead my perspective of the solidness of a variety of ongoing BTC fundamentals).

If you believe yourself to be engaged in gambling, rather than investment, then likely you do not have confidence in the solidness of the underlying BTC fundamentals.

None of these perspectives need to be set in stone, and for this reason if your perspective about bitcoin changes, then it would also be prudent of you to consider ways to adapt your strategy based on your changed perspective.