Quote from: bitzox on May 23, 2013, 06:55:02 PM

Gorillas may not rape or kill for fun, unlike their more evolved counterparts, but they will kill babies so that the mother will mate with them.

Quote from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0310.1989.tb00754.x/abstract

Most infanticides occur when infants' mothers are not accompanied by their group's mature male (usually because he has died). Infants in this situation are almost certain to be killed by unfamiliar males unless they are nearly weaned. Active defense of infants by females is ineffective, and females cannot avoid unfamiliar males for prolonged periods. In contrast, infanticide is rare yet has been observed in encounters between mature males. It is not associated with group takeovers and male eviction by extra-group males, unlike the case in many other mammals. Demographic constraints and reproductive competition limit the occurrence of defensive coalitions between males. These factors, plus the high risks associated with male/male aggression, inhibit the occurrence of group takeovers by male coalitions. Infanticide shortens interbirth intervals and results in a high probability that a female will mate with the infanticidal male.

Is this type of murder "necessary"? I have a feeling if you ask the infant the answer would be no. From the male gorillas point of view its all about ensuring the survival of his genetic line by mating with the mother of the baby gorilla he just killed. Granted you cant compare this to what humans do to each other on a daily basis but it is none the less an example of violence for selfish reasons and ones not related to survival but procreation.

With the gorilla listed as an endangered species I believe it to be a necessary evil, I guess you could also look at violence among humans as necessary evil because we are overpopulated, I refuse to believe that however Tongue

Quote from: bitzox on May 23, 2013, 07:25:57 PM

hahaha I really like that question. Since neither of those is really free I choose answer C!

Quote from: Tootoot222 on May 23, 2013, 07:24:26 PM

are these hugs free as in beer or free as in speech?

No one will throw you into Guantanamo or unperson you if you do not give a good hug Wink

Quote from: DonDe on May 23, 2013, 07:19:55 PM

Quote from: Basaj on May 23, 2013, 07:14:16 PM

Soon i can post in the real forums!

YEAHHH, basaj stop spamming plz.