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Quote from: zijieli on October 07, 2017, 10:06:52 AM

Windows version of xevan has appeared ，when you release your optimization.

dont think it would matter, xevan is pretty small and profitability is already wayyyy down. who would pay for it, I dont know. I think krlnx did a good job.

Yeah the knee jerk mouth frothing over Xevan is completely misplaced. The network is way too small. It's already over saturated and that's with a basic miner.

Quote from: DextroFree on October 07, 2017, 05:34:31 PM

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Quote from: sp_ on October 05, 2017, 06:38:59 AM

When ppl spread my work for free, ppl won't donate anymore because they just use my stolen work to boost their profit. When I release #3, the stolen work is not profitable anymore, and the only option is to donate or steal my work again. If they steal again, I get 2% of the profit from everyone who mine with my stolen miner.

Why do you bitch about 2%.?

I release a faster miner, that will boost your profit, and my profit. It's a win win both for me and the honest donators, and loosing game for the scammers who stole and published my work.

It's funny you are complaining about stealing...

The problem it not that you are selling your mods (you can call i donating all day long, but you are just selling it). You are absolutely right, that you are able to sell your work.

The problem is, your work is based on code under the GPL license (because it seems you are unable to start it from scratch), with require you to give access to your code if requested (which has been done multiple times). And you have to do this, even if you would give your code away for free. We can be sure you know that stuff, you just ignore it because you think nobody will ever get you.

So the "thieves" steal from someone who violated the GPL license for years.

This is just stupid fucking rhetoric to get things for free. You aren't going to 'force' him to release his work for free. If push comes to shove, he, just like a lot of other developers that make their own miners stop making them. Then big farms who can afford to hire actual developers get easy high performance miners with no competition.

You lose, public developers lose, and private farms win. Go educate yourself before you make fucking retarded knee jerk statements. GPL licensing has absolutely no baring what so ever here. No one is going to take SP to court, no one is losing lots of money because of this (except big farms), and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter.

People use whatever rational they want to justify their actions. Only thing GPL licensing is helping in this case is megafarms and I'm guessing your two rigs don't qualify for that status.

So you say it's ok to violate rules if enough people profit from it?
Why not rob a bank and give the money to the poor? Oh, because robbery is not allowed? But hey, if you don't do it, only a few rich people will profit from the money!
Just make sure you aren't seen while robbing the bank, so nobody will take you to court! It's so simple!

But i agree with you, people use whatever rational they want to justify their actions, you gave a good example.

It's alright to violate rules when they generally don't benefit the greater good. Furthermore no one gets hurt when people violate them in this case. It doesn't help the greater good and it doesn't hurt anyone except egos. You aren't murdering people for profit here. And those that would violate them regardless are the people that will profit behind the scenes.

This isn't robbing a bank. This isn't taking someone elses money. You can take your perceived moral high ground, eat a dick, and remain poor. As long as it helps you sleep at night. People don't put anything into context anymore, they just take it and run way out into left field. I'm guessing GPL violations means I'm dropping sacks of kittens into a river while laughing, right?

You can't even make a argument about morality here besides there being a rule in place. Moral high ground is actually taking the code, making the best miner possible, then distributing it to everyone possible (dev fee). Flat fee is the next closest thing. SP is literally helping you and all you want to do is bitch about it and then bitch about a fee, then bitch about a flat fee, then bitch about GPL. It's not going to make it free and it reduces the chances of him (or any developer) making a miner in the first place. People who can, once again, hire their own talent will do so and fuck you while you're pretending they don't exist and stay happy that no GPL violates are visible.

And who decides if its for the greater good? You? I? SP?

Have a look at a the real world: Extreme left-wingers will tell you its ok to throw rocks at the police, because its for a greater good! I think we agree its not, but in their opinion they do the right thing.
But because everyone has a different opinion, there are rules we have to follow. Dont throw rocks at police, dont sell worked based on gpl code without making the source available.
Violating the rules makes you a criminal, not a hero.

And btw, you said my bank example is wrong because this isn't taking someone elses money. Well, it is - you take the money of the big farms if the global hashrate rises.
Of course, I dont like this too! But once again, because I dont like something is a not enough reason to turn to crime.

lol... There is no 'deciding'. More people get to use it = greater good. Less people get to use it, for the select few. You don't distribute it, handful of people profit. There is no subjective reasoning here. This isn't a philosophical debate. More is better, less is not in this case.

LOL you're equating throwing rocks at police to using and selling GPL code 'without source'. XDDDD (I really can't facepalm and laugh anymore at this then what I just did, but there is really no way to convey that through the internet). You really do think GPL code violations are putting kittens in a bag and dumping them in a river!

This is beyond silly. People don't work for free and those that do you can only take what you can get. You know who understands that? Big farms. You know what they do? They hire a programmer, they take GPL code off of github, they improve it, and they put you and your shitty two ass rigs on the street.

This isn't rocket science, this is extremely easy to understand. Private miners aren't going to go away, matter of a fact it gets worse if people like SP don't improve the publicly available miners. He is, indeed, working for the greater good... IE the people, IE a lot of people, IE not a rich fucker in a backroom smoking a cigar.

LOL! It's wrong for small miners wanting to compete with big farms? Yeah, there is no ulterior motive here at all... I wonder... hmmm...

This isn't a life of crime, no one gets hurt, it helps everyone else out, as I mentioned before the only people that lose are big farms and they are simply just earning as much as the rest of us at that point.

You really are in the wrong line of work if you think Cryptos are this warm and fuzzy place where everyone sits down together and sings around a campire while earning free monopoly money. I'm going to keep buying SPs miner, you can sell your two rigs on eBay to me when you're no longer profitable 'for some reason'. This is literally the wild west and you get hung up because someone said it's 'not right'. It's only going to get worse the more profits dip.

Quote from: scryptr on October 07, 2017, 06:30:55 PM

Quote from: sp_ on October 07, 2017, 05:42:23 PM

The Xevan miner was just released. Another alexei rippoff with some added new padding bytes. The miner was profitable for 6 hours. and when the windows binary was released, there was no profit left. So the opensorce miner is noaw worth nothing.
Krlx got his bounty of 0.5btc, and with your logic, he should share the bounty with the real developers of the ccminer right? 99% of the code is written by me and the other devs, he just changed a few lines of code to claim the bounty. 2-3 days of work. 0.5btc. Nice inside job..

YOU MAY BE RIGHT ABOUT PROFITABILTY--

I mined for months with CPUminer-OPT, and quietly stacked BitSend away. Occasionally, I would mine with the SGminer for Xevan, on 4 x RX 470 cards. That would calculate at about 5+ MH/s, total. BitSend would peak every so often, and my BitSend would sell at 2-3 x the normal market price.

My 1080ti is now doing almost as much hash as my RX 470 4-card rig, about 4.9MH/s at "-i 23". Most of the hash on YIIMP is now from KRNLX's code, and I think the market will suffer. If the "mine and dump" strategy is employed by the majority of the miners, it may be a long time before another price peak.

My 1080ti does fine with KRNLX's code, but my 960 cards kept crashing. If I set the intensity for those cards to "-i 16", they were stable for ~10 minutes, but still crashed. I hope that KRNLX will refine his work. --scryptr

It doesn't matter if all the miners dump if the coin has a strong market. BTC has tons of miners dumping constantly on it, but still manages to succeed. If miners are the only thing holding the market up it's beyond fragile and just waiting to fall apart.