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How did you determine the shepherd is not leading me? And if the shepherds guidance is not helpful then what is the use of a shepherd.

Your logic is all discombobulated and internally inconsistent.

I have not made such a determination nor could I.

I don't it is inconsistent but I suppose that would depend on what fundamental assumptions one has assumed to be true and are testing it against.

So you attribute none of anyones accomplishments to their own. So why do anything? Just do what ever because the shepherd is in control of all us sheep.

As I said, your logic is internally inconsistent.

Because we won't be sheep forever. We can make incremental progress and work towards elevating ourselves into something more then sheep. The full scope of that transition, however, from homo sapian into something more divine is far beyond current human ability, understanding, and wisdom.

The shepherd does not control the sheep. He simply sets broad guidelines and rules to keep them safe, healthy. He often fails as the sheep kill them selves in large numbers for stupid reasons.

The error is not the belief that we can strive towards becoming less sheep like. We can and should. The error is in thinking that turning oneself into an alpha sheep somehow changes ones fundamentally sheeplike nature it does not. Worse yet is rejecting the shepherd entirely and wandering through the forest pretending to be something other then a sheep. It's entirely possible to be an alpha sheep this way and find the very best grass to eat while being entirely unaware of the underlying peril of the situation.

A sheep will always fail the prisoners dilemma or look for ways to change the rules by introducing outside variables. Alpha sheep will always fail the prisoners dilemma. That's a very simple way of confirming we are sheep not and not something better. Sheep striving to improve ourselves yes but sheep nevertheless.

The simple reality is that there is no FREEDOM, except under the full control of the 10 Commandments and strict Biblical Principles
unless each and every individual can exercise self-control, spiritual discipline and accountability before, under and in allegiance to GOD Almighty, true civic Freedom along the lines of "live and let live" will never be and can never be.

As Ive observed you for a long time now (and vice versa) and tried my best to develop a mutual understanding with you, Ive reached the exasperating conclusion that youre displaying the confirmation bias that you desire to fit everything into your rigid, dogmatic, judgemental, highly idealistic (and unrealistic) belief system which lacks sufficient degrees-of-freedom to allow you to understand and fully appreciate others your belief that theres some absolute truth, God, or morals. You might think vice versa that Im favoring a confirmation bias for Nihilism or decentralization.

Ideologues want to control others, even if its by proxy through their God. They believe the virtues of their ideology justify their right to judge and conquer others. For example those who believe they must conquer Islam to liberate the females. Or those who believe the North was righteous in violating the sovereignty of States and conquering the South to liberate the slaves.

Ideology spawns zealots, collectivized oppression, and in general fights against the universal trend towards maximum entropy. Its far too simplistic (and thus incomplete) to conclude that the fight for egalitarianism and equal rights, is required for maximizing universal entropy. Nature is multifarious and competitive.

The most dogmatic and rigid, such as the Jews and the Socialists, are prone to leading themselves right into megadeath over and over. And their ideological bent seems to incubate disrespect for diversity (the antithesis of egalitarianism) and eventually becoming justification for what the Zionists are doing now.

Ideologues are incredibly dangerous shepherds who lead their flock over the cliff (e.g. the Holocaust), and spawn zealot sociopaths like George Soros[1].

I reject that notion of an absolute truth as unprovable and necessarily untestable, because of the necessity of relativity (of even information) as I have explained numerous times. My belief is not Nihilism.

I believe were all cogs in a greater wheel that cant be observed because our existence is predicated on the quantization of time, as I have explained numerous times (that omniscience is impossible because spacetime is not collapsed into an undifferentiated past and future light cones).

We have free will in some partial order perspective sense, but not in an unobservable total ordering perspective. Why even mention what cant be observed!

The sheep dont entertain all the information nor attempt to assimilate as much information as is possible. Therefore, Im not a sheep.

You have some inborn (or mother instilled) resentment against the true nature of males and especially alphamales, so thus presumably I will be your antagonist.

I dont reject ethical values, but for example your extreme dogmatic stance and resentment of the true nature of males, is a rejection of the commandment to not idol anything. Youre idolizing your belief system!

Whereas, Im trying to not have a belief system that I cant observe. Im not trying to tell anyone else what to believe at the existential philosophy level. I try to understand nature and the reasons that we have evolved to have the natural characteristics that we have and try to contemplate which patterns of culture have been successful. I am information based, not ideologically biased (or at least trying not to be).

Yet Im not idolizing myself. I know that no matter which choices I make in life, there will be ramifications which are not the ones I wanted or even couldnt anticipate. Theres no right answer about what to do in life, except the one that each person chooses. Yes there are consequences, but theres no absolute truth by which to measure those outcomes consistent throughout (all space and time and metaphysical dimensions).

After all, Im just a simpleton Southerner boy who wants to play sports and fiddle with technology until I die. I wish the world would just let me play.

The abhorrent evil of 9/11 is a phenomenon which is beyond my grasp to directly confront. Its not analogous to a boxing match or a basketball game. The opposition and I cant settle our differences directly in a tournament. Its a battle of social organization and over the beliefs of others. The only rational way for me to confront this evil is to apply technological efforts attempting to decentralize the control systems of social organization. I dont desire to engage them on the battlefield of politics. Its clear that politics and control over others (even for sheepdog ideological reasons) is misdirected away from the only universal truth: the maximization of universal entropy. Entropy is a measure of uncertainty. While its true that breaking down local barriers to global interaction, can increase the level of uncertainty in the possibilities, its too simplistic to conclude that must necessarily take the form of an overlord world government. Its also too simplistic to conclude that it must necessarily take the form of the 10 Commandments or some absolute truth morality. For example, the commandment that we shall not bear false witness against another. Since theres no observable total order, its quite implausible to be sure that anything we do is absolutely true. I can actually give you a very realistic example where one makes a fool of themselves because they were lacking complete information but didnt know it. Yet this isnt Nihilism because I believe partial orders do allow observable consequences and the game were playing called life, is contemporaneous and reflective. What did you do today or last year which is dear to your heart or mind?

It seems to me that the less one attempts to bear witness or judge, and the more one attempts to facilitate uncertainty, the more well directed one is w.r.t. to the only known universal truth.

Perhaps one reaches peace when they realize they dont have to get anyone elses approval for their beliefs, when one is comfortable in their own philosophy even if no one else pats them on the back or joins with them.

[1] George Soros, the man whose rationale is it was okay that he participated in slaughtering his fellow Jews because if not him somebody else would have done it any way. Soros is presumably funding SJWs because he justifies any means to the ends of destroying tribalism, but per Armstrongs explanation in my prior post in this thread, the cycle of return to separatism and local sovereignty is unavoidable. The police brutality in Catalonia notwithstanding. The polls in Catalonia employed decentralization to subvert the Spanish Federal police thugs.

Quote from: Hyperme.sh on October 07, 2017, 05:07:36 PM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on October 07, 2017, 06:50:28 AM

Some will escape being put to death, because they saw the signs prior and fled. According to the book, those people will be sustained by the entity in some manner and will be the ones who endure till the end.

Its not clear in the Bible if those who are raptured are not put to death or whatever. Rather the rapture applies to the persons soul not their earthly carcass.

The Bible says those who refuse the Mark 666 will be put to death, but they can still be raptured.

As Dork says, the Bible says that in heaven (and on earth after Jesus returns with those who were raptured), there is no use for money. So thus your proclamation that Bitcoin is useful for those who survive the reign of the Anti-Christ is a nonsensical theological theory.

My perspective is the threat from the Zionists is much nearer-term and I dont base that on the Bible but rather the expert videos by scholars that exquisitely lay out the evidence that Mossad slaughtered 2700+ Americans on 9/11. The Zionists are collapsing the globally economy with a global monetary reset coming within several years.

They will be ratcheting up their use of laws to force everyone into the corrals, but entirely turning off Bitcoin would be antithetical to the reasons they built Bitcoin in the first place.

9/11 by 19 incompetents and Bitcoin by a lone Japanese hacker are posited to be examples of the amazing (almost magical to the masses) feats the Anti-Christ will do which the people will greatly admire. And yes, the people are admiring 9/11 as the example of what 19 Arabs with box cutters who couldnt even fly airplanes well enough in flight school, were able to accomplish i.e. the sheep are hoodwinked by the Anti-Christ as predicted in the Bible.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke