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And I stand by my point that a supernatural being cannot be proved by science, because by its nature it is supernatural, and therefore does not follow scientific laws. This renders the being's existence impossible to prove scientifically. I'm still baffled that some people don't understand this simple concept...

Mediumship is a phenomenon that can be tested. A supernatural or discarnate entity can be shown to be the simplest explanation of certain evidence, like in the paper "The Problem of Seth's Origin" or the case of the dead chessmaster who communicated details of his life and played a game characteristic of the prior personality. The hypothesis that is used to explain the existence of this type of personality is called 'survival'.
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

The problem with this type of research is that it's not repeatable, and in terms of scientific evidence it's very flimsy. Similar to the articles you posted about Deepak Chopra and Stuart Hameroff, they have various theories (some of which do make sense) but it's mostly just speculation. And I don't tend to trust speculation very much when it comes from Deepak Chopra, who as I said is clueless about things like quantum entanglement...

Don't know much about Hameroff, I'll look him up.

Edit: Ah, Hameroff co-wrote the papers regarding the Orch-OR model of consciousness, with Roger Penrose. I've read a little into this hypothesis, and it is very interesting to say the least. But it is not conclusive evidence for any sort of consciousness controlled by quantum computation, their ideas have a lot of criticism.

Their theory is the best one on the market, it helps explain the clever behavior of paramecium.
The criticism of Penrose/Hameroff's theory is outdated, more recent papers provide new evidence.
Chopra is not clueless about science since according to Hameroff his view is the right one!

There are replication studies in Parapsychology. Also:
Mediumship can be produced and observed under conditions of experimental control, see Cunningham's paper "The content source problem in modern mediumship research".

I expected a response from YOU, protokol.

Since you did not reply then it is implied that you agree with me that Chopra is right to say that consciousness drives evolution. Also, you did not dispute the idea that a discarnate being is the simplest explanation for cases like Seth and the dead chessmaster.

Orch-OR theory has been validated by evidence. You can even test it yourself (like a real skeptic) by ingesting qubits which will dramatically improve the performance of your local quantum computer or "brain".

Quote from: http://ormus-water.com/ormus-by-mdg/

A very strong and simple method is just to put Raw Sea Salt in a bottle, say two spoons in a half liter empty mineral bottle, then to fill it with a good cooking oil; then after 2 days waiting, you can just put ONE DROP on your tongue and feel the effects I was very surprised to find it SO STRONG ! I let you try.

Anyway, for the scientists, it is THE PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE SEA SALT, and that when immersed in oil, it migrates to the oil ! And it has an immediate (after 2-3 minutes) effect on our human body after ingestion. You can even just put the oil on your skin and the ORMEs will make there way to your blood and you will also feel them very strongly after a short while.
Thats amazing no ? This ORMES/ORMUS are for real, and just next and whitin us.

OK I didn't reply, but not because I agree with Chopra. You are jumping to conclusions my friend, something that people like Chopra do... And yourself.

Your link about "ormus water" is full of spelling and grammar mistakes. This leads me to believe it is not a reliable source, and some of the chemistry is sketchy at best. It literally says

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If you look in any physics or chemistry text book for an explanation of whats going on here, you will look in vain.

So why do you think that is the case? I think it's because the hypotheses are unrepeatable, and to be frank, woo.

You cannot ingest qubits. They are a conceptual idea of information, not an actual physical thing. Like the classic "bit" they are just a form of information, not a physical, tangible piece of matter that you can hold or eat.

Orch-OR is an interesting hypothesis, like I said, but there is not enough evidence for the concept to be taken as fact. This is similar to other hypotheses, such as string theory or the multiverse theory. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there is not enough evidence to say you are right.