Quote from: DooMAD on October 12, 2017, 11:51:54 PM

What might help is if people stopped putting this bizarre invisible barrier between miners and "the community". Why aren't miners part of the community?

There's nothing wrong with pointing on the current situation, which is that most miners don't represent the community. However, the problem is mainly due to most miners = Jihad Wu.

Quote from: DooMAD on October 12, 2017, 11:51:54 PM

Why are they always this separate entity who supposedly has to follow obediently and silently?

Because the most *power* in Bitcoin have the users, otherwise the system has failed.

Quote from: DooMAD on October 12, 2017, 11:51:54 PM

It's baffling that most of the people here simultaneously bitch about miners having too much power, whilst in the same breath trying to relegate them to slave status.

Listening to the community and developers has nothing to do with being a slave.

Quote from: DooMAD on October 12, 2017, 11:51:54 PM

Everyone wants to rely on their hashpower, but no one wants them to have any freedom. It's unrealistic.

Wrong. Quite a lot of people would be extremely satisfied if Jihan completely left.

Quote from: DooMAD on October 12, 2017, 11:51:54 PM

I think, if we're genuinely going to be a community, we need to drop this ridiculous "us and them" mentality.

You haven't been reading the other "side" lately, have you? Stop preaching bs.

Quote from: hv_ on October 13, 2017, 04:59:14 AM

You just cannot admit that you've not the same strong position than others with more skin in the game than littly you. So it is very easy to rant against these but not very clever to do in public and let many show how rotten your charachter is deep inside. You do not provide / support any good solution for keeping the community together for many years now. Now we can all see what issues we got with that splitting.

How much "skin" someone has in the game has absolutely nothing to do with whether they're evil or not. With the case of Roger Ver and Jihan, both have become so malicious that is it ridiculous. Bitcoin does not need a rushed, let alone contentious, and dangerous hard fork, which is coded by an amateur such as Garzik, anytime soon.