Quote from: ktttn on May 31, 2013, 12:01:03 AM

A)Calling your god a 'He' is dumb
B)Talking about your god in a way that requires the reader to make a leap of faith to even finish reading one of your premises is dumb.
C)Claiming matter of factly that your god did this, does that, ect is dumb.

These things are dumb because you really know, deep down, the only reason you talk like that is to fit in.
Whether you were raised by enthusiastic consumers of churching or found that later in life it was easier just to play along until you internalized the motions, you know deep down that youre faking it and being dumb.
Everyone else can tell, and suspects that the act is only there to cover up some missing depth or longing for substantial meaning.
Ive done this debate before. The reasonable people always get sick of the neurosis and leave, losing. Religion must not be based in simply refering someone to a vastly overquoted book. We must think for ourselves.

Lots of folks still have faith in the obsolete lie that is the dollar. IN GOD WE TRUST. NOPE.
I left that lie a long time ago as well.
My religion requires that I be sincere, enflamed in prayer, and unforgiving of the sort of monocultural, white supremacist, patriarchical garbage that passes as religious thought.

I know this was directed at Nuerobox, but I will interject here.

Trust me when I tell you that it is not very popular to be a Christian anymore it seems so I would not think anyone would "fake it" to "fit in." I think for many of us that have experience a true conversion, we could never think of turning from Him. Why, because we have felt God's amazing grace and have been changed by the awareness of His love for us. It changes us from the inside out.

I have been reading many of your comments. You seem very angry with Christians and at God for some reason. I wonder if that anger is misdirected? I ask that because I too was frustrated with God at one point when I was younger. (I still often wonder what His plan is in many things but I am learning to trust Him in spite of that) I questioned why he had allowed me to go through some horrible things as a very young child. One day I cried out to Him for help and he showed me that he pained by the abuse too. Knowing this was the start of a miraculous healing of my heart. Now I know that He is with me no matter what I am going through and He has been faithful to me. He would do the same thing for you, or for anyone that asks. I believe that to the core of my being.

That said, we could do cognitive gymnastics debating these things endlessly and you would mostly likely win. You are obviously extremely intelligent and well read, more so than I could ever dream of being! However, " God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise."