Quote from: cointed_official on October 21, 2017, 08:08:33 PM

Quote from: ENS on October 21, 2017, 06:05:54 AM

Let me sum things up:

- Fraudwarning in newspaper
- Fraudwarning from experienced Forum Members with Herostatus
- 100% Fake followers on Facebook
- Censorship of Reviews
- Huge Fight with the only confirmed partner GB (witch is a credible palyer in the crtypto community with a very good reputation)
- No proof for any up and running mining farms (exept some pictures of rigs standing around in a warehouse)
- Fee Manipulation
- Lies about claiming the BT ATMs are Cointed ATMs
- Lies about Revenue/Turnover
- Lies about amount of ATM Locations (at least not willing to provide proof)
- Lies about having a developed Mining Hardware together with Nvidia. (And pretending to have a non disclouser Agreement after anouncing it themselves)
- Lies about Online Traffic on theire site.
- Lies about developing theire own software.
- Lies about developing theire own ATMs.
- Censoring all channels, deleting old profiles and creating new ones
..... that list could go on forever....

First let me say, that it is interesting to say the least, that we are providing answers to all your accusations. You however dont find it worthwhile to comment on them. Instead you only bring up new and wrong accusations without providing proof or simply repeat the same accusations again. The reader has to decide for themselves why you behave that way. It is clear that all your posts are not objective but clearly subjective and in a negative, destructive spirit.

Nevertheless, for the sake of transparency, we will continue addressing them:

- Fraudwarning in newspaper
In the article you mention, there is no warning of fraud at all. They only reported the accusations from our former business partner GB and the very comments you posted in this thread. The same newspaper posted an article from our point of view, which can be found here where we explicitly dispute all allegations: https://www.derbrutkasten.com/a/schmutzkuebelkampagne-cointed-wehrt-sich-gegen-vorwuerfe/
In addition, Cointed gave a live video-interview to this newspaper today for the sake of complete clarification, which can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/derBrutkasten/videos/1968866463337243/
So far, GB refused to react to any of our statements.

During this interview, we also invited the same newspaper - https://derbrutkasten.at - to come and visit our mining facilities in Sweden to give the community an unbiased view and to prove that we have nothing to hide. More information will be coming in the next 2 weeks!

- Fraudwarning from experienced Forum Members with Herostatus
We answered all concerns of the mentioned user and are patiently waiting for further comments.
But I am glad you mentioned the issue of warnings from users. We think it is important for the community to know who is actually behind those accounts.
When checking the trustworthiness of the user Zeroxal, one can find a review that leads to this interesting statement of the user himself where he admits to tax fraud: https://archive.fo/Q916h

- 100% Fake followers on Facebook
Every company, has to deal with this problem. It is true that we advertised our facebook page in those countries, which is completely legitimate way to reach potential customers. A look at our whitepaper will reveal, that expanding to Africa is one of our core goals, since cryptocurrencies are ideal for markets where financial infrastructure is still underdeveloped.
The statement that 100% of our followers are fake is an exaggeration of incredible dimension.

- Censorship of Reviews
Already addressed, you refused to provide prove.

- Huge Fight with the only confirmed partner GB (witch is a credible palyer in the crtypto community with a very good reputation)
A statement regarding the GB situation can be found on the first page of this thread and in the article and video posted above. We will also invite GB to a roundtable discussion. The fight was never intended by us and we didnt start it as mentioned time and time again already in this thread. Cointed is very disappointed in GB for taking these steps. This point has been addressed multiple times.

- No proof for any up and running mining farms (exept some pictures of rigs standing around in a warehouse)
As mentioned before, a camera team from https://derbrutkasten.at has been invited to visit our mining farm in Sweden. At this mining farm alone, Coitned operates 16,000 GPUs, which are up and running at this point. Stay tuned for the video! (and thank you for providing the publicity!)

- Fee Manipulation
Already addressed, you refused to provide prove.

- Lies about claiming the BT ATMs are Cointed ATMs
Which lies? We bought the ATMs and always paid our bills on time, even stated by GB in the private letter they decided to post on their site. They belong to us. We have already provided proof of our own new ATM prototypes which are not only owned, but also produced by us: https://imgur.com/a/COt41

- Lies about Revenue/Turnover
Again no lies. The 180$mio dollars are a low estimate for the end of this fiscal year.
We are willing to admit that these numbers were communicated poorly. We will be able to prove this with our balance sheet at the end of the year. Sceptical investors are invited to revisit this ICO at the beginning of the next year when this information will become publicly available.

- Lies about amount of ATM Locations (at least not willing to provide proof)
Please go to the website https://coinatmradar.com/operators/ where you can find 51 listed already. A look at our facebook page https://www.facebook.com/cointed/ will reveal that we installed !!18 ATMs!! in the last 10 days alone. GB also said themselves in the private email they decided to publish that we bought 73 ATMs from them alone. In addition, 5 BITXATMs, 5 GENESIS ATMs and 15 new Bitcoin ATM X Machines are owned by Cointed, with more models ordered already.

Regarding the ATMs that have not been listed publicly they:
1. Are at private clubs, which can only be accessed by members of the club
2. Still need to be shipped out (I just received word that a new ATM has arrived in Mallorca/Spain!)
3. Are prototypes which have been developed and produced by Cointed and are now being tested

- Lies about having a developed Mining Hardware together with Nvidia. (And pretending to have a non disclouser Agreement after anouncing it themselves)
Already answered, you are repeating yourself to inflate the list of unbased accusations

- Lies about Online Traffic on theire site.
Already addressed, refused to provide prove.

- Lies about developing theire own software.
Already addressed, refused to provide prove.

- Lies about developing theire own ATMs.
Already addressed, pictures of our prototypes have been posted multiple times: https://imgur.com/a/COt41
The GeneralBytes drama you keep citing is entirely because we are producing our own ATMs, as GB says themselves in the private email they decided to pusblish. This makes your point not make a lot of sense I am afraid. It seems like you are running out of accusations you are able to make up.

- Censoring all channels, deleting old profiles and creating new ones
That is a new one which again, you refuse to provide any proof for.
If you mean the Cointed OG account, a short Google check will reveal that the Cointed OG has been closed over a year ago. I don't think that you mean this account though because it would not make sense to talk about the account of a company that no longer exists.

It is obvious that you are just flinging dirt and hope that something sticks. You dont care that all these points have been thoroughly discussed and just keep repeating them without addressing our answers in any way, shape or form.

We are happy to engage in a healthy discussion. However, so far it seems like the only thing you are interested in is to inflict the biggest economical damage. I am sure it makes the community wonder what your motivation actually is...

Well if you would like me to comment each issue I will do so, although you have not been able to prove any singel argument. You are just claiming things without providing proofe. Anyway ,I will add a few lines to some of the (many) bullet point just to show you what I mean:

1.)
you say:
- 100% Fake followers on Facebook
Every company, has to deal with this problem. It is true that we advertised our facebook page in those countries, which is completely legitimate way to reach potential customers. A look at our whitepaper will reveal, that expanding to Africa is one of our core goals, since cryptocurrencies are ideal for markets where financial infrastructure is still underdeveloped.
The statement that 100% of our followers are fake is an exaggeration of incredible dimension.

comment:

It is not a "problem that every company has to deal with". Buying fake followers means that you engaged in a service to pay for a certain amount of followers. Thats a very shady thing to do because its only purpose is to look bigger/better as you are. It is easy to proofe by comparing the rate between amount of followers and amount of interactions. This ratio is not right on your site, thats a simple fact and your information does not provide any value to it.
Although you are right. 100% is a exaggeration, it is probably around 95-98% fake followers in reality.

2.) Lies about corporate structure turnover/revenue:

you claimed that as of 20.10.2017 your Cointed GmbH will be owned . 100% by your Hongkong limited. This simply false. The relevante documents have been posted already in this forum. As a consequence, your Tokenholders are holding tokens with no value. Thats a simple fact

Also turnover/revenue/profit is not existing until beginning of 2017. As stated in your public balance sheet. I posted this information erlaier. Your figuers ( 25m, 100m) are pure fantasy.

3.) Lies about mining capacity.
You are claiming that you have developed minining Graphigcards with Nvidia and that you have plus 100.000 GPUs up and running as of today.
Thats simple false. The only thing you have been willing to share sofar is pictures of a storage room with a few thousend GPUd standing around not making money. And your offer to invite journalists in a few weeks (when your ICO is over) is simply a joke. Why proofing anything after your ICO. If you are not willing to provide a simple screenshot of your miningpool with a simple picuter of your mining facilitys then the simply do not exist. (like hundreds of other scams in the cryptoworld)

4.) Lies about one of the biggest player in the crypto ATM Industry.
It is said how strong you try to blame GT for your own misbehaviour.

5.) Claiming to have "developed" your own ATM
It would be easy to prove that, just share your patents. The animation you shared can be made with a photoshop app on a simple mobile phone. Its no prove for nothing. (and for sure not for getting 120m USD!!!)

6.).... so many more things to say... but it makes no sense to continue as long as you are not willing to puplish the above mentioned documents. It would be simple and if you would have all they things you claim to have in place you could share it in a matter of minutes.

But I have the feeling that nobody will ever see any of these documents, company registers, mining farm pictures, patents, etc... because if you would have them you would have published it at the beginning of your ICO to ensure your investors that you are the real deal...

Please do not get back to me with empty words. They dont change nothing. Puplish the requested documents or save yourself the energy of posting a extensive reply with no content.

with love
ens