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Here you go, start your bidding:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222622.0

Lowered the starting bid to BTC4. Anyone?

Dude you certainly shouldn't be partisan to any of this until we know exactly what is happening with respect to orders, payment and resale. KnC could just as well turn around and not honour your sale or your order position if you do this outside of whatever means they suggest is acceptable. You need them to verify changing the address details with a confirmation and they have yet to stipulate what the terms for resale actually are.

Don't get ahead of yourself, or cause anyone to loose their virtual monies.

Sincerely.

huh? They said there is no problem transferring the pre-order to another person. Look around. Pre-orders are being sold left and right.
I just want to sell mine. What is your problem? I don't want for people to lose money. What are you talking about?

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Quote from: kncminer on June 01, 2013, 06:59:39 AM

Actually I think of it differently

What annoys me more than anything is people on eBay/or here selling pre orders for boxes. When the person buying has no chance of actually knowing if the box will ever arrive at his/her door because the original company doesn't allow a change of shipping address,

There is enough scamming in this industry already. I do not want to see our boxes or queue placements being used at all to scam anyone out of money and if i can spend a few minutes to fight that I will.

If this offends anyone then so be it. I would rather that than have you lose your coins to someone who claims to have a queue placement, or a full pre order who in actual fact does not.

After payments are made and the queue does indeed become longer. We know that queue trading is gong to happen and as we cant stop it the best we can do is try to make sure no one gets scammed.

Sam

Sure. I just found a buyer and I emailed Sam to ask for permission to transfer my pre-order.
So we'll see if the transfer can be done without the actual purchase.

I can confirm that KNC is transferring pre-orders without receiving payment or placing the actual orders.
I just sold my pre-order ID (<40) to myrond.

KNC has indeed stated that they will help pre-order customers transfer their order if they cannot/choose to not make payment.

Advice to possible pre-order purchasers though: Order number does not matter! From what I have been told they will produce the entire pre-order batch, test it and ship it at the same time. This means that order nr are of no consequence, the only thing that matters is that the order is valid and in their system.

I would suggest to any buyers that you either wait until the order shows up in the KNC miner system for logged in users (this week) or require the seller to provide order nr and a confirmation email from KNC miner that the order is indeed valid, and tied to an email address under the control of he seller.