Quote from: Nadine000 on October 26, 2017, 12:52:50 PM

Just a few remarks to your questions or statements:

1) Basically we talk about the same ROI, it just seems you confuse ROI with the total return, ROI is the amount of money you make AFTER your investment is recovered, so your 170% are basically the same as our 60%. Most of your statements actually rotate around this misunderstanding.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/returnoninvestment.asp

2) Yes the size of hydro power stations vary a lot, they start at 1kw and can be as larger as the three river gorge in China, I dont get the point. Our stations are large enough for our operations and thats what counts for us.

3) The makeup frontpage girl can assure you that I know exactly which OS we use, however we employ technicians to work on this and I thought it would be good if the interviewer would also talk to the technician as he came along on that day to answer exactly these type of questions.

4) About the Risk Factors, you may want to take a look at any contract that you have signed in your life, or at least in the last 20 years and especially when it comes to money, companies will always include all possible risk factors in the business to avoid legal troubles afterwards. To say that there is NO RISK in mining is simply absurd, there are real risks in mining cryptocurrencies and they are real, it starts with regulations, as mining could possibly become illegal, up to the crash of the whole market, completely new technologies that render your hardware worthless for mining, changes in the protocols of cryptocurrencies that change the whole concept of mining. I do not say the risks are high, but they are certainly real.

5) Raphael Beaumont has not and is not in any way related to Gigawatt.

Quote from: P4ndoraBox on October 25, 2017, 08:14:14 PM

My point of view about hydromining farm. ( I'm mostly french, I'm sure you'll understand anyway even if there are some typos )

Just before I start, I want you to know that I took in the meantime the video of their gpu farm, their promotional video, their whitepaper, and of course their website.

To cut simple, I understand their passion toward cryptocurrencies mining as I'm doing it personally myself at home. I'm into cryptocurrencies since around 5 years, and from my point of view I see more greeds in their project, than an actual will to fill the need of their investors.

I'll elaborate in which why I don't recommend to invest any money in it, and why.

Before I start, I just want you to know that my main value is honesty, and it's after I noticed a lot of lie and a lot of lack of knowledge from them that I think I could bring more trust into cryptocurrencies in general, because there are already too many scams.

Right on, let's start !

1. Website : https://www.hydrominer.org/

a) Current yearly ROI : 60%

My answer : Totally, WRONG. First, I'm personally mining, in Canada, with hydro-electricity, and GPUs as well. I have a rate of 0.072 USD per KWh. My Roi at the time is around 7 months. Basically, around 170-180% ROI. I don't even have a ''hydro company'' and already my numbers are higher. I can tell you in private with proof and number how I make it, with screenshots + selfies and everything you need.

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Cost Effective

By placing our mining equipment directly in hydro power stations in the Alps region, we have access to up to 85% lower energy prices than European average.
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Basically, how can they offer a such low ROI and say that they have 85% of lower energy prices ? That's totally wrong, again.

b) Nothing much to say else about the website

2. Promotionnal video

a) Professional video, they drank their coffee and put on their best suits and makeups so that could help raise more funds. Usual marketing way to look bigger than we usually are.

b) Hydro energies are green yes. You have to use the water current to naturally change it into electricity. The fact that they are saying they have a power station is clearly exagerating what is clearly a power station. You may google our canadian hydro-quebec power station. I have even noticed that in their promotionnal video at a point there is not even current in their ''pond'' of water. So they basically can't rely on that energy 100% of the time.

c) Nice rigs though

3. Interview video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9cxWnp30o&t=776s

a) At around 10 minute the interviewer ask the makeup frontpage girl in which environment the miners work ( ex : windows ) and she wasn't even able to say it and throw the answers to someone else.

For 2 girls that are into cryptocurrencies since years, and that can't answer a simple question like that, is clearly showing me that the girls are used here to help promote their scam, as the same way to raise more money, more than they actually have the proper background to maintain a higher level of responsibilities towards the people fund.

b) Basically, they have a nice spot, I'll be fair about that. Thing is, they only have a small river, and the investment will remain nature dependant. So, not only you can have 365 days a year of mining, but they can't even give a decent ROI. ( Check website section above )

c) Clearly, at least, they have a hydro station. That show a bit of trust, even if numbers about ROI aren't, when that is supposed to be profitable.

4. Whitepaper : https://www.hydrominer.org/wp-content/uploads/HydroMiner.pdf

The fun begin, I hope that you are ready

a) If you decide to participate in the Token Sale as a form of investment, Hydrominer expressly warns you that an investment in H20 carries a high degree of risk. For a description of the risks associated, see the chapter ''RISKS FACTORS'' in the token offer document.

Seriously ? Since when mining is a high risk factor ? Trading has risk, mining hasn't. You may have a slower ROI, but you won't have RISK IN CAPS to take while mining. They honestly imply that they won't be responsible for anything that could happen to your money, despite they tell you it's one of the best investment you could make.

b) They say they are using Green energy... Well, most of the electricity is made via water in case you didn't know. So basically, electricity is green, from their point of view.

c) They want to use the funds to rent more power station, to get lower price than usual, that will be reflected in their wallet, because you will still have a low ROI. Who is the winner ? Them. Who is the last ? Investors.

d) Even after raising ICO price, they will take a 10% out of all of your mining gain. So basically, 2 years contract, 60% per year ROI, 120% for 2 years. That is the ''prevision'' and since nothing is already made for customers ( Like a cloud program that you can basically control your funds ) that is basically speculation.

e) They are working with Raphael Beaumond: Advisor

Raphael is an energy consultant based in Brussels. He is currently developing the negawatt
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token to improve energy efficiency. Previously, Raphael has worked in project finance for
renewables, operational manager in the humanitarian
sector and as a data analyst for Google.
Additionally, he is contributing to the BioPhys Economics think tank.

Basically, that guy is working with Giga watt, and just search about them here on Bitcoin talk, tell me if their customers are happy ? Hydro miners is doing the same thing as them, and most of the customers hasn't even their equipment installed after 2 months of purchase, yeah proof : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1914900.0;topicseen

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Ok there are way more lies that you can find with more analyses, but I'm starting to miss some air and I think I did my part here.

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To conclude : If you want to start mining, do it at home. Even if your electricity rate seem higher than some other pretends, it will still be more profitable if you do it by yourself, and as opposite of their first page drawing, if you want it at home, you want an external shed or an empty appartment room. ( It is noisy, it is heaty )

Hydro miner teams want the biggest part of the pie, and it's ok, guess all humans are greedy. I just think that before you invest in some people that will gain the most out of your investment, to basically do it yourself on a small scale. You'll understand with real numbers that mostly all they imply to raise fund are fakes and that you'll have to wait a lot of months before seeing your cryptocurrencies back in your wallet.

I personally saw a lot of other ''cloud mining companies'' that tried the exact, same thing and investors were getting ripped off while the people who raised the funds are taking advantage of it.

Invest if you want, but I'm mostly sure you'll get in another cloud mining ~~scam~~ fraud.

edit :
As a regular customer, I pay my first 0.072$ USD for my electricity. To be more precise, the first 1,947 KW/h cost me 0.045 $ / Kw/H then it's 0.072 $ for the rest of the electricity consumption.

If I upgrade my ''scale'' and buy a commercial buy of hydro electricity, I can even get these rate lower.

I'm honestly starting to open my own business and bring more securities into cryptocurrencies for worldwide investor instead of trying to rip people cash off. On the longrun, there are way more money to make by being legit and honest.

About Raphael Beaumont, I want to correct that I misread Negawatt as Gigawatt. I assume that total mistake of mine as I totally misread.

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1. So basically, 2 years old token holding of 5kwh of power / token.

One of my underclocked rig consume 15 KW / day, These are 3 x RX580 + motherboard + processor and etc

In other word, one GPU card represent 1 token.

Let's compare my numbers, with your great, out of the box, crypto solution companies that could bring mining more mainstream than the regular guy mining at home.

That rig cost me an average of 35% of electricity, my numbers are in my quote above. My rig will go beyond 2 years since I'm underclocking it.

From your whitepaper, almost at the last page, you say that the token holding is only for 2 years, minus hardware repurchase and operation cost. ( I know what is a mining operation cost, and it's only monitering after the job is done. )

You expect to give back, in net revenu, 20 to 40% to the token holders.

And it's not even finished, you take another 10% of the net proceeds of the token holders. So basically, people can expect a revenu of 18 to 36%

Page 27 of the whitepaper to be more precise.

Tell me, with those numbers, how an investor can get his return on investment based on those numbers ?

By the way, there are important questions you were adressed here : https://www.reddit.com/r/icocrypto/comments/71qtgm/hi_im_nadine_damblon_founder_of_hydrominer_an/ that you didnt even answered, plus, you told one of your investors a blatant LIE

Bartman_Simpson 1 point il y a 1 mois

They are lifetime contracts? https://www.hydrominer.org/token-sale/

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[]NadineDamblon 2 points il y a 1 mois

Basically yes.

To conclude, your number are inacurate, not profitable, and only speculative, and you are lying to your investors to raise more funds.

2. Yes your operation are large enough for you, not for investors.

3. Well I don't trust you, on your website and whitepapers, you tell investors you started cryptomining back in 2014, for a crypto miners, it is quite obvious you don't even know how to set a simple mining rig, and was not even able to answer the question when asked.

It is clearly a mumbo jumbo to make false statements to try to show to the people you are really a miner among the cryptosphere. From my point of view, you're just the front girl to raise more funds.

4. Yeah it's ok about that, I understand that part. The part I don't find in your whitepaper is where you will do anything to make the mining companies profitable, and if it's not, to give the money back to your investors, or whats left, if the project become a total ''fiasco''.

In other words, it says, if it's not working, too bad for you, we keep everything.

5. I have answered above and it's my mistake to not have read carefully.

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I think I'll make some other calcs in the meantime, but since I don't see your real electricity cost and how it's handled, I would have to only rely on your speculative rates.

Problem is, even with your speculative rate, they doesn't even are profitable for a regular investor, you keep everything you meant to save for the customers, and the ''product'' is not even out yet.