Quote from: stoffu on October 31, 2017, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: sumoshi on October 31, 2017, 03:31:06 AM

Quote from: stoffu on October 30, 2017, 04:46:22 PM

I'm posting one last time because I have a bit special respect for billaue:

Quote from: billaue on October 30, 2017, 09:46:00 AM

I think from your narrow-minded viewpoints many coins could be called "scam" and you never mind repeating that everyday just to show your pride as a dev from Monero. But you know, the more you talked, the less I respect you, no matter what you've contributed to Monero (which itself is a respectable project).

I may very well be narrow-minded, but I'm 100% sure about this: the most important principle for a cryptocurrency is decentralization of trust. That's why Bitcoin was born, and that's what Monero and other very few legitimate coins stand upon. Any sort of premine just goes right against that principle, no matter what. Developments may need funding, but it can be collected through donations and other ways. Premine as a development fund is just wrong because it creates a special privilege for those controlling the premined coins. Every single effort should be made to decentralize any trust. In fact, Bitcoin and Monero are completely trustless.

I think you're ignorant of this important truth. I admire your skill as a developer (the Python-based GUI wallet and the miner look well engineered), but I believe you're being fooled by Sumoshi. I remember you mentioned previously that you weren't really strongly for or against the idea of premine. I guess your main interest has been only in the programming aspect, but your contribution as a developer will not be fully appreciated if you are on a wrong project.

Quote from: billaue on October 30, 2017, 09:46:00 AM

Sumoshi will contact Monero devs for donation. I hope you guys will accept it but we never need your recognition.

One doesn't need to contact Monero devs nor obtain a permission to make a donation. The donation address is known in public.

@Bill, you'd better save energy for dev job.

@stoffu today, I don't really care much about any "scam" accusation. From Jamie's or Buffet's point of view, all coins are scams, Bitcoin and Monero are no exceptions. So, it's very subjective.

We want to donate in Sumokoin, ofc it'll be hard for you guys and I don't know you can accept them. That's why we'll want to ask first.

We'll keep what we said and you can keep your opinion abt Sumokoin but I think you should save your time for Monero dev rather than following offensive approach like some other dev teams

Your response has always been so entertaining. Thank you.

Thank @sumoshi for some words here. @stoffu is not another guy, he comes from respectable team and I was disappointed with his subjective opinion. However, I'll save this post on why I believe on Sumokoin and in @sumoshi personally.

1. Sumokoin is a solid coin, it's the only coin I can trust 100% on privacy (even a bit more than Monero) and ofc it's younger having long time ahead for dev. It's a coin for future, I believe.

2. I've got to know Sumoshi for a long time since when we worked on another project. He is a competent but old-school man. Frankly, I was little shocked when he said he wanted to start a cryptocurrency and asked me to join the team.

3. Sumoshi were right on many decisions (including premine but I think I already explained why at another post). He never wants to boast abt the coin and always encourages team to do right things in high ethical manner. Thats what Id never found at many other teams. I trust @sumoshi not because he ever promised any big return or overnight success but, on the contrary, because he said itd be very difficult to succeed and we could earn respects from our hard work for community only. Ofc, sometimes you can trust someone only because you feel he can be trusted via many small actions that you can hardly list/explain all.