Quote from: Bitsaurus on June 05, 2013, 07:38:25 PM

Quote from: wrenchmonkey on June 05, 2013, 04:36:26 PM

I don't understand what you're asking for, I guess. The LS/S/MR aren't available to ship. They're still working on those. Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be shipping any product out, just because they can't ship everything?

I get that it sucks that the other models aren't ready, but there are WAAAAY more Jalapeno orders than there are of anything else, so it just makes sense to start filling the queue that they're able to fill, while they work toward completing the other products in their line. It's a shitty situation, but what justification is there for punishing the bulk of their customers who ordered Jalapenos?

This sounds an awful lot like a conversation I heard between one of my friends and his daughter recently:

[In tears] "Dad, *sob* my *sob* balloon *sob* popped."
"I'm sorry that happened, sweetie"
"Yeah, well *sob* Emma's balloon isn't *sob* popped, and it's *sob* not fair!"
"What do you think would be fair?"
"We *sniffle* need to pop HER balloon too!"

Cheesy

Objection. Lacks foundation, calls for speculation.

Boy you're really living up to your reputation aren't you?

You clearly cannot read with comprehension or you have chosen to respond without reading. Where did I even state that I thought punitive measures against Jalapeno buyers was a good idea? Please quote it and bold it.

What BFL is doing is giving an unfair advantage to Jalapeno owners. Since they have not decided to go with 1/3rd plan, and they have not decided to hold back Jalapeno orders they should implement a different plan that would be fair to the other purchasers.

Jalapeno orders may be numerically larger but by purchase values I would clearly say LS/S/MR people funded BFL for the most part. Are you going to argue that somebody buying quantity 10k of a 3 cent item at a Walmart store should weigh more heavily that the 8000 other item purchases that might be made on a typical day (hypothetical).

You said that Jalpeno buyers were "being rewarded at the expense of others" by the mere fact that their orders are being shipped. I was saying I don't get WHAT you're suggesting by that claim. I can only assume that you mean that either they shouldn't be shipping Jalpeno orders, or they should magically change the circumstances, and WILL the other hardware into completion. Which is it? The latter isn't an option, so I presumed the former. Mistake on my part?

Assembly is a completely different beast than development and testing. I'm sure they don't have their design team on the assembly line, so it's silly to assume that the shipment of jalpeno orders is in any way taking away from the development of the other hardware. The problem is that they're still developing the other stuff. Not that they're sitting on them in order to prioritize Jalpenos.

If wal-mart has one hundred 27" inch TVs, but they're out of stock on the 40", 55" and 70" TVs, does that mean they should halt sales of the 27" TVs, so that the 27" customers aren't being "Rewarded at the expense of the 40", 55" and 70", customers"?

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What they may consider if they are not willing to actively put LS/S/MR production as a top priority is converting the other orders to Bitforce 5s

I can see your point here.

I don't know that it would actually result in you getting your hashing power any faster, considering that it would just extend the queue significantly. It's a lot more work to assemble 500 Jalpenos than 50 Singles. So depending on how close they are to completing the development of the other hardware, customers might be shooting themselves in the foot if they demand that BFL ship piles and piles of Jalpenos, in place of higher-density hardware. Neither of us knows how close they are go finishing dev on other products though, so it's impossible to figure out what would be ideal.

Like I said, I'm pretty confident most of you guys will get your high-density hardware WELL before I ever get my cute little Jalpeno desk toy, so I really don't have much of a dog in this fight. I've put most of my money on different horses. The Jalpeno is really just a novelty to me. I don't expect it to make me rich.