Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on June 08, 2013, 10:27:26 PM

Quote from: metazilla on June 08, 2013, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: jackjack on June 08, 2013, 12:03:07 PM

I just checked and looks like I should be entitled to be in the Bitcoin dev list as I'm actively developping pywallet again for more than 2 months. I'm not sure I'd receive anything from that though with all the writing shares.
That's not a problem though as it's Unthinkingbit's coin and it's normal he chooses the priority. But whatever the priority is (writing/developping/other), I'd just like it to be stated clearly

Hey jackjack, I'm in charge of adding people to the developer share lists. Here are some general guidelines on whether or not you would be eligible: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#developer

The best way to see if you qualify to be on the list is to PM me or post a link to the project thread. If you have 10 posts a month from users, then the project is definitely popular enough to be included. My instinct is that pywallet will qualify easily. I know I've used it in the last month, and I'm guessing so have several others in this thread.

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I've no aggression to the writers, but just want to make our community to notice this thing, is devtome more important than open source developers? I'd suggest some way, e.g. to limit the shares on devtome not exceed the half of whole shares, or as others said, use read times or vote links, instead of just words to distribute shares. just some random thoughts, not thinking very carefully, and forgive my english for I'm not native speaker.

I agree 100%. Unthinkingbit and other administrators: is there a way we can make some decision on this?

I think pageviews are the best solution. It's good enough for advertisers to pay big money for page views so why not devtome. That way if an article is not popular there will be little pay so people will be forced to write better quality or quit.

This sounds fair enough where having someone judge each article won't be fair as writing is subjective. Let the masses decide what's good and popular and pay out accordingly.

This is good but there still has to be some minimum amount of pay for writers. Not every article is going to be popular with the masses but it could be extremely important. When Satoshi wrote the whitepaper it wasn't initially popular either as it wasn't on any mainstream journal.

Quote from: Unthinkingbit on June 09, 2013, 01:32:46 AM

Quote from: emfox on June 08, 2013, 10:53:18 AM

Quote from: metazilla on June 08, 2013, 07:07:26 AM

Also sadly, it seems that the original goal of paying for open source development is falling to the wayside as well, as the value of shares plummets. I was thinking about trying for the forum bounty (still might when I'm done with finals), but at this point, 12 shares for all that work seems like nothing compared to the hundreds of shares people are getting for writing.

I have totally the same feeling! I've been busy recently and planned to hold some of my developing activities on till mid-June, such as adding bitcointalk feature of the devcoin faucet, and a btc-dvc-accepting gamble site, and probably a new exchange, etc. but when I back, I checked the shares for round 24 and found there's nearly a thousand, good, I thought, we have more new developers... but holy shit, most of them are writers for devtome! Does we devcoin is DEVcoin but not WRITEcoin ? could we have more sane way to promote devtome and not destroy the developer community? I feel despire, 'cause no matter how hard of my work, I just get 2 or 6 or 12 shares, from those develop work, but those writers could easily write 12000 word at 2 or 3 nights and get the same.
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Because of share inflation, I suggest doubling all bounties which have not been awarded even in part, administration, and maintenance. Also anyone on the bitcoin share list or devcoin share list would get double marketing earnings to reward popular projects. Finally the administration cap would be increased to 9% from 7%, because the current and future administrators found cases of undeserved devtome earnings which in total saved more money than the administrators received. Any objections, or should something be changed?

Also, I'm adding six million of my coins to the coinzen bounty, and two million to Emfox's bitcointalk faucet upgrade.

Because the devcoin value is low, I removed the offer of help for new businesses from the devcoin introduction:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#devcoin_official_site

Business help will be added back if the devcoin value goes over 0.3$/KDVC.

Even with these changes, writers will still get most of the devcoins. The software developers make devcoin and related projects, however devtome makes the potential revenue, which will boost the value of each devcoin. It's like in a game of civilization where you make trade routes, which boosts revenue, which enables you to pay for research.

Who says the programmer can't also write on Devtome? I don't understand why we have to even have this separation. If the programmer uploads their whitepaper to Devtome this is very good for Devtome but technical enough as well. A lot of programmers will have good ideas but not have the time to code them, which means Devtome could be the place to upload whitepapers and get some Bitcoins for sharing the good idea and let some other programmers collect the bounty to program it.

In this way writers and programmers could have a symbiotic relationship. I still don't see how Devcoin math is going to work though. Like I said, in the long term the cheapest workers will be in the third world whether writer, programmer, developer, it does not matter. This means Devcoin is going to have the same problems fiat currencies have with quality being sacrificed and work being outsourced for cheaper and cheaper.

Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on June 09, 2013, 06:16:40 AM

Quote from: ranlo on June 09, 2013, 05:03:16 AM

Also, to clarify something else... ad CTR is usually based more on the advertiser themselves than anyone else. If two advertisers create their ads, they will have different CTR's, even when on the same content. There have been ads that run a 0.00% CTR because they flat out suck, and others than convert 10%+. When you bring revenue into this as part of determining how much each writer's "value" is, you're not only basing it on THEIR work, but also the advertisers', something the writer has absolutely no control over.

Man, this is going to be a real dilemma to solve as writers (and other types of contributors) will keep growing at a most likely exponential rate. Round 22 had roughly 122 shares, round 23 had 501 shares and now we at around 1,000.

That's exponential so the question is will there be a slowdown now cause the value has gotten so low or can we expect roughly 2,000 shares for round 25?

According to my calculations it will continue at an exponential rate and get this, as Bitcoin becomes more popular and gains more exposure that rate will become even more exponential. I think it's time for a complete redesign of Devcoin, a hard fork is the only viable option.