Quote from: molecular on June 08, 2013, 11:24:28 PM

Quote from: Akka on June 08, 2013, 10:39:16 PM

I wouldn't worry so much about this. Yes, the Government(s) is (are) watching. They probably try to get as much Data on every single person as legally(?) possible.

But, all this Data is collected by government agencies. Do you really think the same guys that mess up every single project they touch are even capable to put all this data to use?

There is not very much to worry about, not because they respect your freedom (which they don't) but because government paid lazy bureaucrats are to incompetent to use this data.

Also every government funded agency always grows and grows, gets more expensive and continuously inefficient. Now they start all this projects and in 10 - 15 years we will see headlines like this in the press:

You've got balls of steel. I wouldn't bet the well-being of the world on a certain large group of people with force on their hands not encompassing enough competence to identify their opponents.

You maybe understood my statement wrong. I find this development as outrageous and worrying as the (I think) majority here.

I just don't think that all the surveillance data of 100th of Millions of people (Internet, Cams, Car traffic, etc.) is evaluable in any economical way.

Also the people that would need to evaluate all this data are just some low paid government employees which are to lazy or uneducated to get a "real" job. I just don't feel threatened by them.

The fact that of course remains is that governments are tiring to get all this data, which is very worring. I just don't see them succeed.

This surveillance efforts will probably be even less successful as the war on drugs and even more costly. Everyone that has something to hide will find ways to hide it, so they will end of will gigantic amounts of useless data.

Quote from: molecular on June 08, 2013, 11:24:28 PM

Quote from: Akka on June 08, 2013, 10:39:16 PM

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Government internet surveillance costs the Taxpayer 30 Billion the year and has not stopped a single terrorist act

Maybe it's not incompetence or failure of method. What if the terrorist acts weren't supposed to be stopped? What if they were even manufactured?

Well, that's a totally different topic and changes nothing at the huge costs of surveillance efforts.

Quote from: molecular on June 08, 2013, 11:24:28 PM

Quote from: Akka on June 08, 2013, 10:39:16 PM

Also watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVaodJQmnRc

The vast majority of people here can probably agree that "big brother is bullshit".

So you watched the first 30 sec. Bullshit is just the title of the series and it's actually a very government critical show of two libertarians that has won several awards.

The Title doesn't really represent the actual content.