Quote from: jojo69 on November 09, 2017, 12:07:26 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on November 08, 2017, 11:55:34 PM

You are too nice.... Roll Eyes

Perhaps, but I think it is important now to take the high road and build a path forward with as broad a consensus as possible.

That is bullshit.

Bitcoin is decentralized and no one controls it, and there is no need to compromise with terrorist (which is the part you took out of my prior comment).

Sure, they are human beings, so they deserve some dignity and respect in that regard; however, they do not deserve any sympathy for their engaging in bad and evil acts, and maybe they may need to be burned at the stake because of their evil behavior... I am not sure. I am not aware of all of the facts, but it seems that several of them have been involved in very egregious and destructive behavior that had the potential to really undermine bitcoin and even perhaps destroy it...

Also, there since there is not an actual legal court to try and convict these folks then probably they should at least be punished by the bitcoin community in various ways... perhaps decentralized and consensus ways, but they are not good people as far as I can tell... but surely I am just one voice, and it is possible that my facts are inadequate in some ways, but at this point, I am not prepared to give them any benefit of the doubt or to reach out some olive branch in order that they can be empowered to engage in more evil conduct.

Quote from: jojo69 on November 09, 2017, 12:07:26 AM

While actual evil actors may have been at work in this drama, many in the other camp do, in fact, have genuine concerns and believe that they are acting in the best interests of Bitcoin.

Good things can be ascribed to a lot of evil players. Probably Hitler (not trying to bring out the pro-nazi crowd) was nice to his dog, but that does not mean that his actions were not worthy of censure.. and punishment.

Quote from: jojo69 on November 09, 2017, 12:07:26 AM

I may disagree with them on how we get there, or even on where "there" is, but these people are not the evil ones.

We can just disagree here, I supposed. Based on the evidence that I have right now, it seems that they were engaged in pretty evil conduct... but maybe I am missing a few details, and I doubt it is really worth a battle to go down this path, right?

Quote from: jojo69 on November 09, 2017, 12:07:26 AM

Bitcoin will find it's real enemies, let us not make them out of our friends.

O.k. I am about to let bygones be bygones, and you seem to be convoluting this topic... now they are friends?

One of our ongoing challenges in bitcoin is going to be the existence of various attackers and it may not be easy to determine if they are good or bad, and maybe that is why the software is supposed to kind of assume that everyone is acting in his own selfish interest, and we get to trust the math but not necessarily the various people?

I don't really have a need to pursue this topic, even though it is likely going to keep coming up long into bitcoin's future... and hopefully bitcoin has a long future and has become stronger from this attack and don't give into leaving holes by inviting into confidence some of the players who engage in destructive behaviors.