Quote from: qwik2learn on November 09, 2017, 06:51:37 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 09, 2017, 01:17:25 AM

You think scientists wouldn't be amazed by something like telekinesis, you think they are just lying about it or what do you think is happening. Are you a scientist?

Neither you nor I nor Randi are scientists, but after reading Sheldrake's papers about mind interacting with matter one gets the sense that this is an important discovery. The bottom line is that you refuse to read the papers relating these scientific experiments, but you still act like you know what is going on with those tests, you think that maybe by reading a tangential explanation from a skeptic you can validate your ideas without having to examine the evidence. Sorry, that is not how this works at all. I am not going to entertain ignorance, you need to step up and read these papers to see that mind does effect matter and that this testable phenomena is related to quantum processes. How many experimental findings are you willing to read about? That is the bottom line since scientific knowledge will not come to you by not-reading.

By the way, your own link showed that the theorists Hameroff and Penrose have thoroughly responded to skeptics, contrary to the claims of those who use Wikipedia as a source:
https://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/discovery-of-quantum-vibrations-in-microtubules-inside-brain-neurons-corroborates-controversial-20-year-old-theory-of-consciousness

So that's the problem, the problem is you interpreting wrong these papers, the problem is you not expanding your views, you only read articles that are FOR telekinesis and magic, try to read articles against them and comeback here and tell us if you get a sense that they are important or true. if you are not a scientist, stop acting like one, why is your opinion more important than all the scientists that said telekinesis and paranormal stuff is pseudoscience? If you are not a scientist then you should not act like one, quit telling me about tests and articles you found, I can find just as easily hundreds of articles against what you claim is true, bottom line is the scientific consensus, and they all agree on this, is that there is not sufficient evidence for these claims.