Quote from: CoinCube on November 10, 2017, 07:27:40 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 10, 2017, 02:34:55 PM

No is not and you know is not. ''consistent with what we know about God.'' First of all, there is no ''what we know about god'' God is made up, people made up god thousands of years ago so it doesn't follow that it's logical belief. People didn't come up with god following logic, they just invented him like all the other gods because they didn't know better. So don't bullshit me.

Well let's break down your argument a little more systematically.

You (presumably) start with the premise that humans are foolish and make stuff up. We can verify this is true from our observations today.

From here you can infer that it is possible for a god to be made up. We can verify this by looking at the multitude of gods in human history. Their existence and teachings are mutually exclusive. They logically cannot all exist.

So far so good but from here your argument gets very wobbly. You assume that God was therefore made up presumably by a primitive and unsophisticated people because they "didn't know better".

Note that tradition and the written accounts in the Book of Exodus tell us that God was heard and witnessed by the entire nation of Israel.

It would be much much harder to falsify an event that is common history and witnesses by all then an event that was witnessed by a single individual but let's set that aside for now.

You argue that "People didn't come up with God following logic, they just invented him."

If this was true then it should be a trivial and simple matter to fundamentally disprove God's existence with modern science and logic. Our technology, educational achievements and abilities are orders of magnitude beyond what they were 4,000 years ago. We can after all easily disprove the existence of many ancient pagan deities as they were understood by their followers.

Yet interestingly we find that not only is science and logic not able to disprove God but at a fundamental level we see that science and logic will never be able to disprove God. As understood by Ethical Monotheism God is entirely compatible with science and logic.

For those who did not follow the upthread discuss see Perry Marshall essay: The Limits of Science

Quote from: BADecker on November 10, 2017, 04:23:11 PM

The way of a person's life IS his religion. Cool

Indeed a critical point that is often ignored not only by the atheist but many religious people as well.

Well, you are wrong. We can disprove the god from the Bible with science. For example with evolution or the age of the earth, age of the universe, all of those things disprove your god. You can also disprove your god by simply reading the bible, there are so many contradictions and just plain stupid things that can only have 2 explanations, god is not real or god is stupid. Also, no one has to disprove anything, you have to be able to prove it first, otherwise anything can be real if it's not disproved.