Quote from: CoinCube on November 10, 2017, 10:49:41 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 10, 2017, 08:19:28 PM

Well, you are wrong. We can disprove the god from the Bible with science. For example with evolution or the age of the earth, age of the universe, all of those things disprove your god. You can also disprove your god by simply reading the bible, there are so many contradictions and just plain stupid things that can only have 2 explanations, god is not real or god is stupid. Also, no one has to disprove anything, you have to be able to prove it first, otherwise anything can be real if it's not disproved.

Much of the Bible is parable and metaphor. If you read the Gospels you will find that the teachings of Jesus are almost entirely in the form of parables. Similarly the book of Genesis must also be metaphor and parable from simple logic. Let's look at these issues in turn. First the age of the universe and the topic of creation in seven days. Here is a prior post of mine on this topic.

Quote from: CoinCube on August 08, 2016, 09:48:21 PM

Quote from: Moloch on August 08, 2016, 04:44:47 PM

I always liked how God created light on the first day, and the sun and stars (which make the light, and the 24-hr day) on day 4... That's quite a magic trick!

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If I were God... I'd probably create the sun, stars and light all at the same time... and then I'd create plants afterwards... but that's just me... perhaps I'm smarter than God... perhaps a 5th grader could tell you that you can't create light before stars...

You can't create light before stars... are you sure about that?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe

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The early universe, from the Quark epoch to the Photon epoch, or the first 380,000 years of cosmic time, when the familiar forces and elementary particles have emerged but the universe remains in the state of a plasma, followed by the "Dark Ages", from 380,000 years to about 150 million years during which the universe was transparent but no large-scale structures had yet formed

Before decoupling occurred, most of the photons in the universe were interacting with electrons and protons in the photonbaryon fluid. The universe was opaque or "foggy" as a result. There was light but not light we can now observe through telescopes. The baryonic matter in the universe consisted of ionized plasma, and it only became neutral when it gained free electrons during "recombination", thereby releasing the photons creating the CMB. When the photons were released (or decoupled) the universe became transparent.

According to current scientific models there was hundreds of thousands of years of light without stars.

Genesis 1-3:

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3 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.

There is little reason to think that the day's mentioned in the Bible has anything to do with days as we measure time. In fact we know it cannot be the same unit of time as the sun which we use to measure a day was not created until the fourth day.

Next let's look at the Biblical account that man was created from dust. Does this literally mean God grabbed a bunch of dust formed it into a ball and out popped man or is this a metaphor to convey a deeper truth.

Was the Bible RIGHT about the origins of life? Scientists believe that we may have had our beginnings in CLAY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html

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All life on Earth may have come from clay according to new scientific research - just as the Bible, Koran and even Greek mythology have been suggesting for thousands of years.

The latest theory is that clay - which is at its most basic, a combination of minerals in the ground - acts as a breeding laboratory for tiny molecules and chemicals which it 'absorbs like a sponge'.

The process takes billions of years, during which the chemicals react to each other to form proteins, DNA and, eventually, living cells, scientists told the journal Scientific Reports.

Biological Engineers from Cornell University's department for Nanoscale Science in New York state believe clay 'might have been the birthplace of life on Earth'.

It is a theory dating back thousands of years in many cultures, though perhaps not using the same scientific explanation.

In religious texts from ancient Egypt to Chinese legends, God moulds clay into the shape of man and then breathes life into him through his nostrils.

Even Genesis talks of man being born from dust and returning to dust when he dies, with scholars translating this from the ancient Hebrew as also meaning clay or the earth itself.

In seawater, clay forms a hydrogel - a mass of tiny spaces which soak up other minerals, chemicals and tiny molecules from its surrounding area.

Professor Dan Luo of Cornell said: 'In early geological history clay hydrogel provided a confinement function for biomolecules and biochemical reactions.

Genesis 2:7: 'And the Lord God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.'

Isaiah 64:8: 'But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.'

'Over billions of years, chemicals confined in those spaces could have carried out the complex reactions that formed proteins, DNA and eventually all the machinery that makes a living cell work.'

The conclusions are based on experiments by the researchers using synthetic hydrogels, adding DNA, amino acids and enzymes and simulating the production of proteins.

You argue that "no one has to disprove anything, that you have to be able to prove it first". In this you error.

When dealing with metaphysics what we must do is show that the premise is not provably false, that it is internally consistent, and that it provides a rational model that holds up when it is applied to the universe.

Belief in God is all of these things. Thus it is rational and logical. If you choose to reject God the onus is on you to attempt to build an alternative rational and logical model for yourself.

Most atheist refuse to do this and get emotional and illogical at this point. Very few follow atheism to its logical conclusion.

Atheism if logically followed and explored takes one inevitably to nihilism as highlighted upthread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg21736103#msg21736103

I acknowledge that I cannot disprove nihilism only highlight its consequences and argue that it is a very shaky foundation to build a life around.

I'm sorry but we know more or less how old the bible is. https://www.gotquestions.org/how-old-is-the-Bible.html
Every religious person agrees on this that the earth was created around 6k to 10k years ago according to the bible, we can easily prove this wrong with various dating methods that prove the earth is far older than this, humans are far older than this as well. Even if somehow the 7 days mentioned in the bible weren't really days, we can still prove the bible is wrong.