Quote from: protokol on November 16, 2017, 06:15:52 PM

Quote from: popcorn1 on November 15, 2017, 04:54:24 PM

Quote from: protokol on November 15, 2017, 01:57:53 PM

When the media talks about the US elections (or the Brexit referendum) being hacked, they are being sensationalist. If you look into it, no-one is actually saying that Russia hacked the actual polling stations, or votes.

What they mean is that Russian propagandists infiltrated social media, news sites and comments etc, to influence the result. I think this is objectively true (at least for the US election). It has been proven that many fake accounts were actively influencing peoples' behaviour in these supposedly democratic decisions.

Not only that, but some accounts were promoting division and hate for the opposite side, to cause rifts between voters acting in a 2 party system (or in the case of Brexit, a yes/no binary vote). This increases contempt and instability in a country.

I actually think that leaving the EU was a fucking dumb thing to do, especially for Britain (which doesn't have much to offer in the way of exports and economic power, other than the financial hub of London) but that's off topic.

The thing to learn from this really, is that people should not just "upvote" and "like" every fucking comment they see on facebook or reddit, and base their votes on those sources, without actually researching a little into the subject. It's our own fucking fault, and we should all be very careful about where we get our information, and be very wary of the "filter bubble".

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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

I remember your the same person that said 9/11 was done by terrorist and not BUSH Cheesy

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So we can safely say your a BUM LICK for the rotten scum bag MONEY MONSTERS..

Uuh OK then I guess I'm a "bum lick", whatever that means. I hate banks for what it's worth.

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I actually think that leaving the EU was a fucking dumb thing to do, especially for Britain (which doesn't have much to offer in the way of exports .. Cheesy

WRONG..

We have a sea a ocean with FISH the EU doesn't then if you step in our waters and fish we will FIRE Cheesy

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And the eu puts tariffs on us we slap tariffs on them meaning we gain 7 billion pounds..

Yes we have a sea and ocean, but due to geopolitical regs we can only fish in these waters due to an agreement with the EU. When we leave, we could be banished to only the seas surrounding the UK.

Of course the EU has seas and fish, you fucking idiot, the northern seas are basically fished by all Scandinavian countries, and the Mediterranian has a bunch of sea too, what are you on about?

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And on a last NOTE when we go the rest will follow the UK the rest are shit scared to go they want to see the UK leave and then the EU will be no more..

WANT TO BET Wink

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The EU is a money making machine for the political elite and big businesses and no one else..

The politicians lovely day out on our expense ..And all to talk shit..Because they do nothing..

I was better off in 1970s and that's saying something..

Ok you can buy good plastic goods in this day and age BUT..

To see a doctor
pay on transport
buy a home
roads full
no free school stuffs like free milk free food free clothes ..

And when it comes down to making things IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS.. Wink

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I dream and when i dream i can make it so..
NOT IN THE EU..

They stop dreamers because they want the dream..

I have never been so excited to leave like starting a new job a new MISSION IN LIFE..

Corruption costs EU 'up to 990 billion a year' POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/.../corruption-costs-eu-990-billion-year-rand-study-fraud-fun...
22 Mar 2016 - Study says public procurement corruption alone costs the EU 5 billion per year. ... The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to 990 billion a year, according to a .... Romanian ruling party chief indicted for fraud.

I don't know why your trying to make us SCARED ..Lived in 1970s how worse can it be Kiss

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Oh and me gran parents lived in the TRENCHES .. Wink

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I see a new UK one that going to make thhe world notice how life should be..
JUST got to get rid of the unwanted cost of LORDY SHIT FACES and the EU..

OK I don't really know what you're babbling on about here, but I will say that some of the other EU countries (eg Scandinavian countries, Germany, the Netherlands) have far better public services and benefits than the UK. The reason that the EU is making it difficult for the UK to leave is because they obviously don't want other countries leaving. Of course, that would weaken their economy and the euro currency.

But that doesn't mean that it was a good idea to leave. Wales, for example, was given many grants from the EU to create things like parks, bicycle trails, leisure centres. Now where will that money come from; Westminster? I'd be surprised if Wales continued being funded in the same capacity...

And similar projects occur across the UK, payed for by money from the EU. Not everything is about cold hard cash, many projects the EU financially support give a better quality of life to UK citizens.

Anyway this is off topic, I already explained how Russia didn't actually "hack" the vote, but they may well have influenced voters through deceptive channels, i.e. social media.

Discord and division in the EU and USA would be very beneficial for Russia, there is motive and evidence for their nefarious influence in democratic issues in both of these countries.

PS my grandad fought in the war too, I don't think it's relevant to brag about how your grandparents "lived" in the trenches. Sounds like you're grasping at patriotic straws matey Cheesy

Scandinavian countries, Germany, the Netherlands) have far better public services and benefits than the UK.

Yes we know and we been in the EUROPEAN UNION for 40 years so i guess now you understand how it's not working..

Remember you said it the UK is SHIT Grin

..40 years we been doing shit compared to the rest so if the EU
was so good even to your standards we been doing shit..

So thanks that's why we want OUT..Doing SHIT you see..

AND WE WON THE 2 WARS Wink

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Discord and division in the EU and USA would be very beneficial for Russia, there is motive and evidence for their nefarious influence in democratic issues in both of these countries.

WRONG^^^ You don't like the fact they are doing what you are doing Wink

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And WE British are paying the price for it..NO MORE FUCK OFF..
My labour gets used to line RICH UNDESERVING PEOPLE Angry

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And the point they already have so much GREEDY TO RICH PEOPLES..

Who pay peoples to destroy what ever makes them rich..

As if the USA politicians care Cheesy

..They don't care for their own peoples .. Wink

All corrupt to the core ..SCUM BAGS..

Destroy neighbourhoods for their greed ..GOLDMAN BALL SACK..

You make out the USA are nice people Cheesy

..SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK ...All for DOLLARS..

THE LAND OF THE NOT SO FREE..

Putin got more hart because he understands poverty..

Yes he as still robbed loads of contracts off the Russian peoples ..
But Russia doing way way better than ever before and i hate seeing people poor so nice to see..
BUT people likes of you would love them to still be eating each other..

WELL NOT ME Grin

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Your just greedy and want it all..
And don't want no one to dream BUT yourselves ..

THE RUSSIANS ..They want the same life as i do Wink

..Just to be happy for what little time we have on this planet as HUMANS..

They have done everything to be just the same as we westerners

FACT they are WESTERNERS no different than me and the people where i live..
Just you YANKS want the world to think different because YOUR GREEDY FAT PIGS..

Oh and by the way PUTIN is a THIEF who robs the country of contracts just the same as all you greedy
politicians do MONEY MONEY MONEY ..

And that's why i want a new system put in place ..

The bernie sanders 25 dollar donations only..
And 10 years checking politicians bank accounts..

And last point.
If Russia are an enemy why sell them this below..

Ms Clinton's State Department approved the sale of Uranium One to Rosatom in 2010..
Hillary Clinton, Canadian company at heart of controversy ..
17 Oct 2017 - The Obama administration knew that Russia had used bribery, kickbacks ... At the time, President Barack Obama and Clinton's State Department ... Before, Tenex could only sell reprocessed uranium from dismantled Soviet ...

26 Oct 2016 - As secretary of state she approved a deal to sell Uranium One, ... Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal,

7 hours ago - Senate Republicans say their investigation of Hillary Clinton's role in approving a deal to sell U.S. uranium mines to a Russian company hinges ...

17 Oct 2017 - Hillary Clinton and her husband sold out America to the Russians while millions of dollars flowed to their family foundation. And in the process, ...

What's the real story behind Hillary Clinton, Russia, and uranium?..MONEY GREED Wink

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Russian politicians are CORRUPT just like the UK USA and every other bastard country on this PLANET..

WE ARE SICK OF YOUR STUPID GAMES..

UNIVERSAL INCOME For all life and you can carry on your greedy games BUT everyone got a starting point to live NOT JUST THE FEW..