Quote from: infofront on November 18, 2017, 10:52:11 PM

Quote from: jbreher on November 18, 2017, 08:19:50 PM

Quote from: AlexGR on November 18, 2017, 11:38:22 AM

BCH is much more centralized,

Exactly in what manner do you assert that BCH is more centralized? (Presumably with respect to BTC?)

BCH is controlled by Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, Calvin Ayre, and Craig Wright - its code, mining, nodes, marketing - everything.

Great. You've re-asserted that it is centralized, but you have said nothing about in what manner the alleged centralization is manifested.

As far as code, BCH has multiple non-mining, fully-validating wallet implementations. None of which have been shown to be controlled by Ver, Wu, Ayres, nor Wright. Well, nChain might have an implementation, and if they do, that would presumably be controlled by Wright, but I am unaware of such. If you disagree, please state which such implementation is controlled, which of these parties controls it, and what the nature of that control is.

Wu controls a lot of mining, this is true. Wu also controls a lot of BTC mining. Ver controls a mining pool, though my understanding is not much hash rate. Wright has stated that he was going to create a large mining entity. Anyone have any evidence to suggest he has yet to amass such?

More germane however, most pools have at some point mined BCH. Further, no miner is barred from participating in mining BCH. Indeed the set of miners able to mine BCH is identical to the set of miners that can mine BTC. In what manner is this centralized?

Marketing? Now you're just being silly. In a permissionless environment, nobody controls marketing. The funny thing is that, for all the marketing that Ver or Wu has contributed to BCH, anti-Cash shrills (note I did not say 'shills') have spread Ver and Wu's message far wider than Ver or Wu themselves. Kinda ironic, that. What marketing has Wright done? Ayres?

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Regardless, the mining centralization is easy to prove.
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*-7jVYKd5OKx91ad2.

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*YRMZ23O4J9Y9jcBf.

So miners self-selecting to not mine BCH is proof of BCH mining centralization? I assert that is a useless definition of 'centralization'.