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.. When everyone has a gun, there is no violence.

Sorry, but this is just rubbish.

No, when everyone has a gun, there is LESS violence, and any violence that does occur is usually quickly contained.

Right, I completely agree that there is less. I don't agree that there is "none."

For the record, statistics have already proven this as well. If you look at the number of crimes with guns that are committed in various businesses, you will find that statistically they happen MUCH more often in places where weapons are banned (counties) than elsewhere. This isn't a coincidence; people want to commit crimes they can get away with. If everyone is capable of stopping them, their chances of success go down and therefore the number of people willing to take the risk does as well.

You'll always have those that are "insane" and will commit crimes regardless, though.

Difficulty of the acquisition of weapons is important when factoring those statistics
You said counties so I presume other counties allowed for weapons and so the point of entry is easy between regions
Counter Example would be the United Kingdom knife violence but a lot less gun violence
So choosing the best weapon of choice definitely factors into criminal minds everyone has a gun they use guns or everyone gets a knife
^_^ This count as an example of the forum degenerating XD

You are right on the concept of weapon availability, to a point, but some are easier to use. There's the theory (or fact?) that if all we had was rocks, people would still kill each other, just using rocks (and medieval times proves this as well). But giving easier to use weapons and/or faster to use ones makes getting away that much easier.

As for the counties, you're right: each county (which can be pretty small) can have its own laws on those things, so you could, for example, drive for 30 minutes and go through Guns Outlawed -> Allowed -> Outlawed -> Allowed. So something we've seen through statistics is that people go out of their way to go into another county where it's outlawed to carry guns, rather than going with their local area.

I agree with you my point was do you really need to be carrying a gun everywhere by reflex to feel safe
Or is the civility part of the degeneration of humanity as a whole (Attempts to bring on topic Cheesy

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We could all be like this

To be technical there are likely other factors that account for this difference and you could just use SPSS Statistics and crunch the trend numbers and variables from the source data to determine the true averages without the confounding variables such as ease of entry from one gun zone to other or filter it by number of counties away from a guns allowed region and see if the greater the distance the less gun crime there is.

That said if ease of entry is high then moving weapons from A to B would bring more crime to B
Just due to the fact its easier
With the exception of rocks since they are practically everywhere Wink

On the bright-side rock violence is at an all time low since a bit after the medieval ages with the invention of firearms
Less the occasional slingshot and smashed windows