Quote from: MPOE-PR on June 17, 2013, 04:09:40 PM

What are you people, French?

When I say talent I don't mean sitting around all day talking about "how things should be". That isn't talent, importantly. Even more importantly, that isn't useful. Nor is it valuable. Nor is it in fact welcome, outside of the society of idiots and the confederacy of dunces.

Now let's go into details:

Quote from: moltenmich on June 17, 2013, 01:37:43 AM

Of course there is talent! Cheesy

Compare and contrast with:

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32. What happened to the cute little unicorn!]
*Poof*. Initially I thought adding a few vignettes might be a nice way to showcase community talent and funnel some coins from the rich fat cat to the starving artist, but alas there wasn't much in the way of talent to showcase. Maybe in time.

That happened last year. The very untalented, exceedingly verbose Bitcoin community of the time proved itself unable to provide three 155px by 68px bits of line art. (Coherence with today's "Bitcoin community" is extremely low, obviously. The average lifespan of a Bitcoin communitard being what, six to nine months.)

Also compare and contrast with the 10 BTC Photoshop contest coupla months ago.

So, when I say what I say I have something I'm basing myself on. When you say what you say you're basing yourself on what, your inner feeling that you in fact are talented? You're not talented, because if you were you'd be working. Hard to digest, perhaps, but if you can take the time to type out that post of yours but won't take the time to prove your talent you are in fact an untalented if verbose hack, and you know this.

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It could be a really awesome project to work on! I just don't have enough info about it to even consider it.

It actually is a really awesome project to work on. That you hesitate and then paint that hesitation in terms of "not enough info" could be construed to mean one of two and only two things.

Thing number A: You are more willing to write than you are willing to read, and as such you've not read:

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ThickAsThieves Tying the splash design, to the name, to potentially (i assume) the entire concept definition is a large bet.
mircea_popescu It is. Its there to signify exactly how open this shit is. The artist can run with it. I mean it. I let him name it, its a symbol of creative control. I want it to be that.

which is a pity, as it's in the original article.

Thing number 2: You are not an artist, which means to say you're able to execute if someone else is telling you what to do, but you yourself have no inspiration, no vision and nothing actually creative to contribute. This is fine, nobody is required to be special or relevant, but it also means that there's no talent involved.

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Example: Instead of offering 2.0 for the "winning submission" offer .5 but require that people send portfolios and then choose 3 people to do the job. You pay all three for their work. Then, when you choose one you like the best, you can ask the 'winning designer' to edit their design 2-3 more times for an additional .5.

Yes, this is how the poor but numerous view the world, no different really from the celebrated "if BitBet was paying users even more then we would make more Bitcoin!!!". It just so happens that being involved in this "wonderful community" etc gives you a direct link to the rich and successful, and here's how they view your thinking there: "could you transform this grand opportunity for the talented into a doling out to the untalented? instead of something based on achievement could we have a little nibble based on simple existence?".

The answer, in short, is no. No you cannot. It is true that the welfarist governments have turned the existence of a few special select few into this fictitious world whereby you get a little bread and a little juice just for existing, but we are currently working at dismantling all that. This is in fact what Bitcoin is for: making it so that it's impossible for a select few to get "social benefits" at the expense of the hard working, the rich and the successful.

The fact of the matter is that most people don't have enough skill, enough ability and most importantly enough inclination to work (usefully!) so as to justify their consumption. The future for these people, which prophetically self-identified as "the 99%" recently, is starvation. If you think unemployment is bad now....

On the other side of the planet, you can't insulate yourself from risks. Being part of a start-up is being part of a start-up, you can't play 9 to 5 office on one end and then cash in like an entrepreneur on the other end. You don't get the benefit of signing your name on tomorrow's megafranchise without putting a lot of your work at risk. Joanne Rowling pitched her book to almost one hundred publishers over years before being accepted, on a very tight contract. You're more than welcome to wait for someone to pay you a generous salary a year in advance and then make you famous, but if you hold your breath for it you'll die. And if you don't hold your breath for it you'll get sick of Ramen sooner or later.

So to sum up my message to the starving, unknown artist: You can't wait out money. Money waits you out. Money doesn't need to eat, and money doesn't give a shit. Either you have talent, in which case you slave away (literally, I do mean slave away, twenty-two hours a day for weeks and weeks) to make the most of this wondrous, splendid opportunity or else you have no talent, no purpose and aren't welcome in the world. And I do mean it, generally, the world. Even the birds shit on you, because they don't like you down there.

That's about it.

Quote from: greyhawk on June 17, 2013, 11:14:01 AM

Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

So why not use Elance ?