Quote from: CoinCube on November 27, 2017, 09:17:41 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2017, 12:24:14 PM

You are an atheist on all the other religions.

https://www.nobeliefs.com/comments10.htm

Next time don't go to an hospital when you are sick, just pray ok? Comeback here and tell us how that went, genius.

Your arguments are growing increasingly erratic.

I am not an atheist of other religions. I believe Jews, Christians, and Muslim all worship the same God and most educated practitioners of those faiths would agree with that assertion.

There are differences of opinion on the proper way to worship God and and there are some who falsely invoke God's name to do evil. Error is to be expected in any human attempt to understand the infinite. This is why it is important to build our religious beliefs up from first principles rather then relying solely on organized authority to tell us what to believe.

I don't believe in paganism, the worship of nature, or snake gods but that would make me a heretic from the perspective of those religions not an atheist.

Regarding refusing medical care. I have never advocated anything of the sort. God helps those who help themselves. If you are ill the best strategy is to usually to pray for guidance and healing then start educating yourself on your illness its treatment and your options regarding doctors and seek out the highest quality care possible.

Quote from: BADecker on November 27, 2017, 02:16:16 AM

One simple example is the field of archaeology. The so-call standard hunter-gathers of 10,000 years ago were not simply that. Göbekli Tepe, which is dated back as far as more than 11,000 years, shows that archaeological science doesn't really have a clue about what the hunter-gatherers of 10,000 years ago were like. There are peoples of the present age that live like the so-called hunter-gatherers of prehistory.

I had never heard of Göbekli Tepe so I read the Wikipedia article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Fascinating history there.

Yes you are, you don't believe in zeus or thor for example, you are an atheist of those religions. Don't be a hypocrite.

I will just quote again something:

Science is invalidating miracles one by one. We no longer think demon possession accounts for epilepsy, nor do we believe nature is such that God sends hurricanes on people for their sins, nor do (educated people) go to faith healers instead of doctors for healing, nor do people pray for the sun to stand still, or for axe heads to float, or for people to be raised up from the dead. We know better. Christians no longer cast lots to decide important issues, and certainly would object if our politicians did this, especially if they lost the issue. Educated Christians no longer see dreams as if God was communicating to them, since science has shown that dreams are the result of the rational parts of our brain being asleep. Christians no longer believe that curses and blessings actually change the nature of people and events, and they no longer believe they are irreversible. Science sets the limits for what Christians will pray for. This is no different than science setting the limits for where aliens purportedly come from. Thats right. As soon as science showed us that any present life on planet Mars was impossible, people stopped claiming that aliens came from there! Science has shown so many beliefs to be false that it's fair to say theologians have always been wrong. Why should it be any different in the future?

Fourth, why is it that the God Christians believe in will not allow a scientific test that will show he exists, or that Jesus arose, or that prayer works, or that miracles can occur, or that there is a heaven, or that there is a hell? Why not? I can conceive of such tests. For instance, if everyone who ever died and was brought back to life in a hospital told the exact same story about what they saw, it would be considered strong evidence about the nature of the afterlife, heaven and hell, and they could tell the same story about meeting Jesus or the devil too. But instead they tell stories based upon what they already believe. If God would do miracles today like he did in the past it would be considered strong evidence that the past miracles really could've occurred. If God would "allow" tests about prayer to succeed, that would be considered strong evidence that prayer works.

That's a strong point there, it seems to me that your god is trying to hide from us and trying to make it as hard as possible to prove his existence, for what? So he can send us to hell?
Christians have always been forced to reinterpret the Bible in light of science. Give me one case where it has been the reverse.

And back to all the scientific fuck ups the bible has:

creationism vs. evolution...all of the following have been shown as wrong.

Evolution : Genesis
1) Sun before earth : Earth before sun
2) Dry land before sea : Sea before dry land
3) Atmosphere before sea : Sea before atmosphere
4) Sun before light on earth : Light on earth before sun
5) Stars before earth : Earth before stars
6) Earth at same time as planets : Earth before other planets
7) Sea creatures before land plants : Land plants before sea creatures
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Earthworms before starfish : Starfish before earthworms
9) Land animals before trees : Trees before land animals
10) Death before man : Man before death
11) Thorns and thistles before man : Man before thorns and thistles
12) TB pathogens & cancer before man (dinosaurs had TB and cancer) : Man before TB pathogens and cancer
13) Reptiles before birds : Birds before reptiles
14) Land mammals before whales : Whales before land animals
15) Simple plants before fruit trees : Fruit trees before other plants*
16) Insects before mammals : Mammals (cattle) before creeping things*
17) Land mammals before bats : Bats before land animals
18) Dinosaurs before birds : Birds before dinosaurs
19) Insects before flowering plants : Flowering plants before insects
20) Sun before plants : Plants before sun
21) Dinosaurs before dolphins : Dolphins before dinosaurs
22) Land reptiles before pterosaurs : Pterosaurs before land reptiles
23) Land insects before flying insects : Flying insects before land insects